Jedi54

iTrader: (7)

Yup, check out the Flash news Flash thread. The last 5 or 6 pages should explain a lot.

Don't want to hijack this thread.

TeamRX8

iTrader: (25)

my base 6 spd does 68 mph on the 2nd gear rev limiter with the OE flash, you aren't going to see a 62 mph to 70 mph jump from a 300 rpm redline increase, 2 mph is more like it (and matches my own data), better check your numbers

Skiptomylue

im sure there is prolly a slight power increas in all the rpm Range.. the major power comes on prolly around 6k.. ask zoom.. hes the lucky bugger thats been running with it..

anyways, read the first few posts. does anyone know how the header is coming along? power gains?

mysql101

The HP gains come from leaning out the fuel. In closed loop the car automatically adjusts the afr for the best mixture. So it's unlikely that they're going to get gains until you're in open loop - thus the why people are saying 6k+ range.

nycgps

iTrader: (1)

If you read RB's site carefully

So .....

juanjux

I hope they release a "stage 2" no-cat version providing more power.

nycgps

iTrader: (1)

I dont think they can do anymore to the Programming, cuz everyone knows that Renesis ..... being pushed by Mazda to its Max power already

So ..... Now Im wondering, will RB do any Update to the Newest "S" Flash ? Cuz it has some new fix for Rough Idle with A/C on(more rpm?) that wasnt found in "R" flash.

juanjux

The renesis without a cat can provide more power than 7.8 hp; just see people with the canzoomer stage 2 working well for them (didn't worked so well for others.)

For what RB has told me, they update the code you have in your ECU, so if you has an S flash you get a modified S flash. They also told me that if the dealer plugs their machine, if would be like you had an "S" flash for that machine.

peloponisios

I believe that if one had the keys to unlock 100% of the ECU we could see more gains. What RB is offering is somehow similar to the japs. From a first view, they tweak what can be tweaked. Upper levels of the ECU are not yet affected.? Maybe that's why flashers and similars are not progressing. All in all and living in Europe, my only complaint is that I can't get my hands to this flash. I have something similar in my ECU but I would like to give it a try.

juanjux

In a short future (december-january) I'm sending my ECU (Spain) for them to play with it.

Moostafa29

Any more people get this yet?

Skiptomylue

yeah after the flash came out..im surprised no-one else has reported how much fun and better it is..
also, how would this work with the interceptor X... if we got this flash.. would we be seeing less gains becuase the Ecu has already been fiddled with, or could we see.. better gains?

L8APEX

I have to wait until the end of the year, when track season is over, and I have money left to spend on mods. But this is most definitely on my list of to do's.

murix

I would have already drove over there if they had one for a 2005.

mikeschaefer

The Interceptor-X completely ignores the fuel and ignition timing settings that the ECU puts out, so it doesn't matter what flash you have. Getting both the RB flash and the Interceptor-X (or any other EMS) would be worthless.

RB flash pros: cheap, even cheaper to reflash (maybe even to different settings if they ever release such a flash), stealthy
Rb flash cons: you can't decide how aggressive your tune is

Int-X pros: you have full control
Int-X cons: expensive, more complex installation

juanjux

My stock AFR looks better than RB one? It seems like they only improve the timing? (I'm asking, I'm a newbie on these things)

Brettus

iTrader: (2)

your stock AFR chart does look like the whole thing is 1.0 too high on the scale compared to any other stock charts i've seen . Could be something to do with the 2nd gear run rather than the 3rd gear runs most people do - maybe ?

juanjux , what software/hardware do you have to get the above graph ?
thanks

juanjux

I've used canscan to get the data and the excel file on tyrannical.org (with slight modifications that doesn't affect the AFR values) to display it, but the values in the file were the same.

I'll try a scan run in third in a few hours.

Brettus

iTrader: (2)

more likely that your numbers are high due to a scaling error used to calculate the AFRs - just got educated on that. (thanks Hymee)

mysql101

what scaling error?

juanjux

Here is the original file, with the previous and posterior data removed (hence the time value not starting in 0), AFR is the third value from the end of the line.

Notice a bug in Harrison software which makes use the comma as a separator in decimals (as in spanish standards, but wrong in a CSV file) if you have windows in Spanish... I had to fix that manually, but I don't think it affects the results (for next log I've configured my Windows using other locale.)

Coolant Temp ----------- ,Short Term FT,B1 ------- ,Engine RPM ------------- ,Speed ------------------ ,Ignition Advance ------- ,Intake Air Temp -------- ,Air Flow --------------- ,Gas Mileage --------- ,Throttle Position ------ ,Fuel Level ------------ ,O2S1 Sensor ----------- ,CAT11 Temp ------------ ,Time

208,4 ,00,0 , 2198 , 17 ,7,0 ,98,6 , 39,16 , 6.33 , 78,4 , 04 , 14.37 ,1537 ,113,546
208,4 ,00,0 , 2457 , 18 ,10,5 ,96,8 , 46,34 , 6.03 , 78,4 , 06 , 14.66 ,1537 ,113,765
208,4 ,00,0 , 2645 , 20 ,10,0 ,96,8 , 51,79 , 6.07 , 78,4 , 10 , 14.79 ,1541 ,114
208,4 ,00,0 , 2806 , 21 ,8,5 ,96,8 , 55,90 , 5.83 , 78,4 , 13 , 14.73 ,1541 ,114,218
208,4 ,00,0 , 2928 , 22 ,8,0 ,96,8 , 60,78 , 5.70 , 78,4 , 04 , 14.44 ,1551 ,114,453
208,4 ,00,0 , 3115 , 23 ,7,5 ,96,8 , 63,60 , 5.52 , 78,4 , 06 , 14.18 ,1551 ,114,671
208,4 ,00,0 , 3299 , 24 ,8,5 ,96,8 , 67,12 , 5.31 , 78,4 , 04 , 14.04 ,1551 ,114,906
208,4 ,00,0 , 3481 , 26 ,10,0 ,96,8 , 70,89 , 5.30 , 78,4 , 04 , 14.03 ,1559 ,115,125
208,4 ,00,0 , 3660 , 27 ,10,0 ,96,8 , 74,00 , 5.29 , 78,4 , 04 , 14.37 ,1559 ,115,343
208,4 ,00,0 , 3830 , 29 ,9,0 ,96,8 , 76,96 , 5.56 , 78,4 , 07 , 14.43 ,1569 ,115,562
208,4 ,00,0 , 4006 , 30 ,9,5 ,96,8 , 80,58 , 5.54 , 78,4 , 07 , 14.40 ,1569 ,115,765
208,4 ,00,0 , 4179 , 31 ,12,0 ,96,8 , 85,98 , 5.44 , 78,4 , 05 , 13.99 ,1569 ,115,953
208,4 ,00,0 , 4340 , 32 ,15,0 ,96,8 , 90,10 , 5.26 , 78,4 , 05 , 14.21 ,1581 ,116,156
208,4 ,00,0 , 4508 , 34 ,17,5 ,96,8 , 94,36 , 5.44 , 78,4 , 09 , 14.59 ,1581 ,116,375
208,4 ,00,0 , 4675 , 35 ,18,0 ,96,8 , 98,28 , 5.34 , 78,4 , 07 , 14.51 ,1596 ,116,578
208,4 ,00,0 , 4861 , 36 ,21,5 ,96,8 , 102,44 , 5.41 , 78,4 , 11 , 14.47 ,1596 ,116,796
208,4 ,00,0 , 5059 , 38 ,25,0 ,96,8 , 109,67 , 5.21 , 78,4 , 05 , 14.37 ,1612 ,117,015
208,4 ,00,0 , 5240 , 39 ,26,0 ,95,0 , 112,82 , 4.91 , 78,4 , 04 , 13.93 ,1612 ,117,218
208,4 ,00,0 , 5433 , 40 ,27,5 ,95,0 , 118,73 , 4.75 , 78,4 , 04 , 13.79 ,1612 ,117,437
208,4 ,00,0 , 5619 , 42 ,27,0 ,95,0 , 125,19 , 4.49 , 78,4 , 04 , 13.67 ,1623 ,117,656
208,4 ,00,0 , 5815 , 43 ,26,5 ,95,0 , 133,24 , 4.58 , 78,4 , 06 , 13.72 ,1623 ,117,875
208,4 ,00,0 , 6022 , 45 ,26,5 ,95,0 , 137,41 , 4.51 , 78,4 , 08 , 13.50 ,1633 ,118,109
208,4 ,00,0 , 6235 , 46 ,27,5 ,93,2 , 141,60 , 4.46 , 78,4 , 08 , 13.30 ,1633 ,118,328
208,4 ,00,0 , 6397 , 48 ,29,0 ,93,2 , 138,60 , 4.62 , 78,4 , 05 , 13.67 ,1640 ,118,562
208,4 ,00,0 , 6612 , 49 ,28,5 ,93,2 , 146,24 , 4.69 , 78,4 , 07 , 13.60 ,1640 ,118,781
208,4 ,00,0 , 6837 , 51 ,28,0 ,93,2 , 152,63 , 4.30 , 78,4 , 07 , 13.21 ,1640 ,119,031
208,4 ,00,0 , 7025 , 52 ,27,5 ,91,4 , 162,81 , 4.17 , 78,4 , 05 , 13.13 ,1645 ,119,25
208,4 ,00,0 , 7243 , 54 ,28,0 ,91,4 , 167,28 , 4.02 , 78,4 , 11 , 12.88 ,1645 ,119,484
208,4 ,00,0 , 7419 , 56 ,27,0 ,91,4 , 164,87 , 4.09 , 78,4 , 08 , 12.69 ,1651 ,119,718
208,4 ,00,0 , 7625 , 57 ,27,0 ,89,6 , 170,04 , 4.27 , 78,4 , 11 , 13.05 ,1651 ,119,953
208,4 ,00,0 , 7844 , 59 ,27,0 ,89,6 , 174,54 , 4.26 , 78,4 , 07 , 13.01 ,1658 ,120,187
208,4 ,00,0 , 8070 , 60 ,27,5 ,89,6 , 182,50 , 4.24 , 78,4 , 05 , 13.02 ,1658 ,120,406
208,4 ,00,0 , 8184 , 61 ,28,0 ,89,6 , 183,98 , 4.27 , 78,4 , 07 , 13.01 ,1658 ,120,609
208,4 ,00,0 , 8308 , 62 ,28,5 ,87,8 , 183,61 , 4.22 , 78,4 , 11 , 12.98 ,1664 ,120,812
208,4 ,00,0 , 8530 , 63 ,28,5 ,87,8 , 188,03 , 4.18 , 78,4 , 05 , 12.83 ,1664 ,121,031
208,4 ,00,0 , 8671 , 65 ,28,5 ,87,8 , 189,14 , 4.25 , 78,4 , 08 , 12.69 ,1664 ,121,234
208,4 ,00,0 , 8798 , 65 ,28,5 ,86,0 , 190,61 , 4.21 , 78,4 , 09 , 12.50 ,1669 ,121,437
208,4 ,00,0 , 8945 , 66 ,28,0 ,86,0 , 189,14 , 4.16 , 78,4 , 08 , 12.80 ,1669 ,121,656

Brettus

iTrader: (2)

I'll admit I'm still learning about this also but I'm told that your AFRs can be thrown out if the incorrect stoichiometric value is used for the fuel.

juanjux

But at idle it's near 14.7, not 15.7 as it should if it were 1 point up.

FastRX8

@Zoom44 -
I saw in the recall thread that you had the dealer work on your car, and they re-flashed you to the latest "S" flash, effectively eliminating what you received from Racing Beat's flash.
Do you plan to reflash to the RB version?

zoom44

yes