Charles R. Hill

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Here's the thing; since I am trying to go into business myself designing performance parts for the RX-8 I completely understand the position assumed on "behalf" of RB as taken by nycgps regarding liabilities. Let's also make this part clear, too; I love the products that RB offers and I use/suggest them myself. The problem I have had with them as both told to me by other members and experienced firsthand is that when someone writes them to ask if a "wet" nitrous system might work with their race or street re-flash they have repeatedly responded with numerous references to "dry" systems. In addition, when I wrote them asking about the ignition curve and simply whether or not it had been modified(I also completely understand proprietary information as I refuse to divulge certain secrets of my own that I will use later) I received a response that was exactly the same as the other forum members. Lack of attention to such crucial details on part of both Mr. Langer and Mr. Mederer is annoying in the sense that I expect that sort of thing from most the people on this forum who merely believe they know what they are talking about, but certainly NOT from a highly respected (and deservedly so) company such as Racing Beat. If they would really not rather delve into nitrous oxide use then they should just say they have no experience with it and don't know whether or not it would/could work. Thanks to my research and the guts of a couple other forum members we all now know that nitrous oxide and the RB re-flashes work very well together and the end-user has nothing to fear. This is because RB does not change the ignition curve on the factory PCM and, as a result, we still have our 50-55 h.p. "window" available. This standard to which I am holding all of the aftermarket companies, and not just RB, is one that I would expect others to hold me to and if I don't respond specifically to the inquiries I receive what kind of businessman does that make me? If I am selling a product to all of you I damn well better know more about the ways in which my products interact with our cars than you guys do.

peterisurhero

im getting this soon

Spin9k

Do you have the street or race version? And are you still using your hi-flo cat wo/problems (do you do HPDEs)?

paulmasoner

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ya i have hit 2nd gear accidently @ 93mph twice now... thats a scary feeling. fuel cuts, every possible light except TPMS on the dash lights up not very fun

staticlag

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the supercat

Rhythmic

Yea, only a small % of supercat owners have had any issues. Not sure why 9k was so decisive about that, I've read the threads? Mines great.

SoloMazda8

Is it a good idea to have the race flash before you get a catless midpipe?

Spin9k

Guess I've only heard/read so much about those w/troubles over the yrs.. those w/no problems are nice & quiet ?

r0tor

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I've had my original style Supercat for probably going on 2 years without problem (while using a CZ)

TeamRX8

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plenty of racers with cats are running the RB race flash, it's not the cause at least not under such short term use

staticlag

How many?

and while your at it, post their before and after dynos.

Spin9k

"Short term" do you mean AutoX? or Track racing? Twenty to thirty minutes seems quite long when I'm on track. The car gets plenty hot through and through

Rhythmic

Need more feedback...conflicting info so far on this topic. Anyone else out there using a cat w/ the Race flash?

Spin9k

Come on Team, we need a BIT of detail of what you might know about the race flash. Can't you give it up? I've got an ECU waiting to send to RB but may want to run a CAT sometimes w/the Flash, do you know what happens then - near instant destruction or OK?

If you just have AutoX insight, it's useless for my purposes, as it's so short term to be insignificant on a scale of road racing. Thanks if you will share.

TeamRX8

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I never posted a before dyno, the after is in the Dyno thread, saw about a 9 Mustang dyno rwhp increase at peak, but the before and after was on different dynos due to a relocation

I don't really have any info on the RB R-flash as far as the tech specifics are concerned

found another 5 hp on the last dyno using the same Mustang as the RB-after, 214 rwhp peak

I'm confident that it's a bit higher than this now, hope to run it again soon, but this will again be on a different dyno, hopefully a Dynojet. I 'm expecting to see 235-245 peak dynojet rwhp at the rear wheels now, but who knows ...

Mikeluvs8

what mods do you have? seems like you have a very healthy 8.

olddragger

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did my 1st track event after the flash--let me tell ya--there IS a difference. power is all over the top end and the car doesnt fall over 8.5 anymore. I was pulling cars that I wasnt pulling before. by the way the fan worked well also. coolant temp never over 190 on the track----for real. ambient temp was cool --in the 50's.
olddragger

Spin9k

olddragger, do you have a cat, and do you have the race version of the flash? How long have you been on track w/it so far (hrs?)?

peterisurhero

damn teamrx8... i bet most of us are hella jealous of your car. hahah you are pushing sooo much!!! haha hopefully i will be pushing somehwere around there before i get this flash.

btw, i heard you stripped your car liek krzyyy. how light is it now??

SoloMazda8

Yeah, I'm curious to know what you have done too.

olddragger

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I was on the track for 6 sessions --20 mins per session. approx 150miles total. only thing i have done to the cat is clean out the back part of it that we dont need. I dont have the race version--sorry to mislead--i now see the thread header.
olddragger

Mikeluvs8

what's up Teamrx8 you going to share what you have under the hood?

dont tell me your one of those guys that keep it all secret.

Brettus

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Nah - I've tried to beat it out of him before but he won't budge .
From what I can glean from reading his posts

Log manifold (this may not be doing much - at one time he was saying it was the goods but now he is wavering on this)
3" exhaust (could be a bit of a secret gain here )
Cold air intake - insulated & home made - could be a few secret hp uncovered here as well
RB flash - a few hp here too
Something else - he won't let on but i'm sure there is something he has not talked about yet .
How am I going Team ?

Charles R. Hill

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Team may be taking a "Smokey Yunick" approach to the class/division of racing that he is involved in. If you want details Google Yunick's name and all sorts of biographies will come up. There were, and still are, racers who "assist" the racing leagues in defining the rule book by nature of the way the racers themselves interpret and challenge the objectives of the rules. Bill "Grumpy" Jenkins was another racer, but Smokey was most noted for this. NASCAR teams are also very involved in gaining an edge by pushing the rules. Either way, those who push the envelopes of the rules generally don't like to speak of their mods. Additionally, I am aware that the class Team races in doesn't allow very many parts to be swapped in an effort to improve the factory performance. Therefore, Team's competitiveness may be solely dependent on his own ingenuity. Obviously he wouldn't want to divulge the details of his mods if those were the only things that give hm his edge. Don't feel bad, though. I have had several p.m. conversations with Team and I can't even get him to tell me what type/class of racing he is in.

TeamRX8

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I'm not wavering on the log manifold, the main gain is losing weight though

about to split the 3" into a dual 2" after the differential with Supertrapps on each pipe for noise control, the 3" I have now is as sweet of a race sound as you could ever wish for, but too loud for many of the event sites with sound control that I now have to run

about to redo the intake to something similar to the SR Motorsports intake, just a custom lightweight version

Speedsource race pulleys (AC pulley delete)

some other minor stuff