Racing Beat REVi Intake System
04-01-2005, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by dDuB
None of you really even know if I'm right or wrong yet. Maybe I'm wrong, if so then cool good for all of you. If I'm right then that's cool also. I don't really care, I just think it's overpriced and not worth it. My .02
i do 'cause its in my car. and i would not keep it in there if i didnt like and i would say so if i didnt. its staying in there. im home every day right now anyone wants to come over and check it out.
04-01-2005, 03:20 PM
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As soon i get the intake, i promise i'll be talking lots of pictures and video clips.
I bought the Typhoon last summer and returned it... POS!!! that's what it was...
I trust RB 100%, i dealt with them 3 times and i grade the service + quality of their products A+
RotaryGod who are you? you ALWAYS make sense.... hmm!! i wonder.
I bought the Typhoon last summer and returned it... POS!!! that's what it was...
I trust RB 100%, i dealt with them 3 times and i grade the service + quality of their products A+
RotaryGod who are you? you ALWAYS make sense.... hmm!! i wonder.
04-01-2005, 03:25 PM
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I'm on ignore!!! Hahahahaha!!!!! That just made my day! :D Actually I don't personally have a problem with him so whatever makes him happy.
The reason being is that he's a typical miseducated 2nd gen RX-7 owner. (not because of the car but because of the mentality that most of those kids have that own them and their lack of experience) (Strangely enough he's also a moderator on the RX-7 forum). Most of those people are very close minded and have a bad habit of doing things wrong even after it has been proven time and time again to not work and strangely enough refute what does work.
Under this "in the box" mentality, a product can:
1: Never be cheap enough
2: Never work good enough.
Unfortunately with this logic it never will work good enough because a very closed minded approach is taken to things and because it is very easy to go with what is popular rather than what actually works. "They said it did therefore it does". Sadly with so much misinformation going around the internet, it becomes very hard to distinguish between who is reputable and who is not. Not even every so called "respected" company is reputable. This is the source of the problem. Racing Beat is definitely a refutable company and is very honest. As a person who has tried every bs sheme out there and failed, how is one to know that even Racing Beat is reputable? There's a simple answer. Look at their track record. They have never done anything that they didn't claim. No they don't have the most extreme products on the market but they also don't claim to. How many others make claims but don't produce? They are so good that Mazda has time and time again worked with them to produce race cars (Bonneville, SCCA, IMSA, etc.), NASA has worked with them. They helped to develop and produce the exhasut and suspension parts for the Protege MP3, etc. They still do deveopmental work for Mazda that we never hear about. If they weren't reputable and honest, they wouldn't get these opportunites. Tell me even 1 other rotary company that gets these chances? I'll wait... Sadly, some still don't look at the evidence but look through it.
It is for the above reasons that I am not very popular on the 7 forum. It makes me proud that ignorance will always reveal itself on command but at the same time I feel bad that the community as a whole trusts so many wrong people because they are popular and they continue to wrongly educate the newer people which furthers the problem. I do get a good laugh from looking at all the wrong ways things are repeatedly tried though! For the rest of us, there's only room to go forward not backwards. Let the skeptics stay slow. In the end they will have spent more money trying the same thing over and over again and you will still be faster!
It's sad that dDuB doesn't want to learn how to do things properly but so be it. I really think he just doesn't like me since I am too honest and don't bs. I don't tell people what they want to hear. I tell them what they need to hear. I can't make them like or agree with it though. So be it. As a wise person once said, "the problem with designing a completely foolproof product is underestimating the extreme creativity of complete fools".
This intake rocks guys! Guess how else I know?
The reason being is that he's a typical miseducated 2nd gen RX-7 owner. (not because of the car but because of the mentality that most of those kids have that own them and their lack of experience) (Strangely enough he's also a moderator on the RX-7 forum). Most of those people are very close minded and have a bad habit of doing things wrong even after it has been proven time and time again to not work and strangely enough refute what does work.
Under this "in the box" mentality, a product can:
1: Never be cheap enough
2: Never work good enough.
Unfortunately with this logic it never will work good enough because a very closed minded approach is taken to things and because it is very easy to go with what is popular rather than what actually works. "They said it did therefore it does". Sadly with so much misinformation going around the internet, it becomes very hard to distinguish between who is reputable and who is not. Not even every so called "respected" company is reputable. This is the source of the problem. Racing Beat is definitely a refutable company and is very honest. As a person who has tried every bs sheme out there and failed, how is one to know that even Racing Beat is reputable? There's a simple answer. Look at their track record. They have never done anything that they didn't claim. No they don't have the most extreme products on the market but they also don't claim to. How many others make claims but don't produce? They are so good that Mazda has time and time again worked with them to produce race cars (Bonneville, SCCA, IMSA, etc.), NASA has worked with them. They helped to develop and produce the exhasut and suspension parts for the Protege MP3, etc. They still do deveopmental work for Mazda that we never hear about. If they weren't reputable and honest, they wouldn't get these opportunites. Tell me even 1 other rotary company that gets these chances? I'll wait... Sadly, some still don't look at the evidence but look through it.
It is for the above reasons that I am not very popular on the 7 forum. It makes me proud that ignorance will always reveal itself on command but at the same time I feel bad that the community as a whole trusts so many wrong people because they are popular and they continue to wrongly educate the newer people which furthers the problem. I do get a good laugh from looking at all the wrong ways things are repeatedly tried though! For the rest of us, there's only room to go forward not backwards. Let the skeptics stay slow. In the end they will have spent more money trying the same thing over and over again and you will still be faster!
It's sad that dDuB doesn't want to learn how to do things properly but so be it. I really think he just doesn't like me since I am too honest and don't bs. I don't tell people what they want to hear. I tell them what they need to hear. I can't make them like or agree with it though. So be it. As a wise person once said, "the problem with designing a completely foolproof product is underestimating the extreme creativity of complete fools".
This intake rocks guys! Guess how else I know?
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04-01-2005, 03:34 PM
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What else do you know rotarygod about the intake?
Let me guess "Cannot mention anything until RB reveals more details soon"...
Oh!!! men.. i can't wait to get it and go for a drive... I'm like a kid, but worst... :D
Let me guess "Cannot mention anything until RB reveals more details soon"...
Oh!!! men.. i can't wait to get it and go for a drive... I'm like a kid, but worst... :D
04-01-2005, 03:44 PM
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I think dDuB has every right to be skeptical about a product that a VERY select few people have ever touched.
That said--dDuB, if several prove real world whp gains from using this intake, would you change your mind? What do you consider to be a respectable $/hp? The GReddy turbo kit is ~$60/hp, and that's if you install it yourself. By that measure, 5hp would be an equal value and 6 would make it relatively cheap.
Of course, to get to the real question of why late model hp upgrades cost so much.
1. Late model cars have a lot more R&D going into them from the manufacturer. RB itself has stated that the RX-8 didn't leave a whole lot untapped for intake or exhaust. Kudos to Mazda for this.
2. Newer cars often have a PCM which will practically tune out any gains made available by simple upgrades such as intake or exhaust, in an effort to make the car perform like it was programmed to at the factory.
3. R&D on new cars COSTS a LOT of money! Getting an old Cutlass and slapping intakes on a Rochester Q-Jet costs nearly nothing, even if you break something. Blow up your 8's engine, tranny, or rear end while testing and say goodbye to several thousand dollars. When you pay a company that does it right (like RB), you're not paying only for some aluminum, cotton gauze, oil and plastic, but for the time and effort spent developing the product.
Finally, from what I've seen from RB and seen from the "other guys", I'm sure RB's intake will be a better value than any other intake out there, in terms of $/hp.
--Massive
That said--dDuB, if several prove real world whp gains from using this intake, would you change your mind? What do you consider to be a respectable $/hp? The GReddy turbo kit is ~$60/hp, and that's if you install it yourself. By that measure, 5hp would be an equal value and 6 would make it relatively cheap.
Of course, to get to the real question of why late model hp upgrades cost so much.
1. Late model cars have a lot more R&D going into them from the manufacturer. RB itself has stated that the RX-8 didn't leave a whole lot untapped for intake or exhaust. Kudos to Mazda for this.
2. Newer cars often have a PCM which will practically tune out any gains made available by simple upgrades such as intake or exhaust, in an effort to make the car perform like it was programmed to at the factory.
3. R&D on new cars COSTS a LOT of money! Getting an old Cutlass and slapping intakes on a Rochester Q-Jet costs nearly nothing, even if you break something. Blow up your 8's engine, tranny, or rear end while testing and say goodbye to several thousand dollars. When you pay a company that does it right (like RB), you're not paying only for some aluminum, cotton gauze, oil and plastic, but for the time and effort spent developing the product.
Finally, from what I've seen from RB and seen from the "other guys", I'm sure RB's intake will be a better value than any other intake out there, in terms of $/hp.
--Massive
04-01-2005, 03:46 PM
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Go Texas Longhorns!
After experiencing the intake first hand, those of you that ordered it will be happy. When I saw the level of quality and detail that went into this thing, I was blown away.
The power gains for me have been rather minor by my butt dyno, but, the power is so linear with it, it can be hard to tell what the gains are. Its a great improvement in throttle response and smooths the power band out. I'm looking forward to seeing there dyno.
The sound is almost stock when your not heavy on th throttle, and when you go WOT, it sounds like an F1 car.
Another great Racing Beat product.
The power gains for me have been rather minor by my butt dyno, but, the power is so linear with it, it can be hard to tell what the gains are. Its a great improvement in throttle response and smooths the power band out. I'm looking forward to seeing there dyno.
The sound is almost stock when your not heavy on th throttle, and when you go WOT, it sounds like an F1 car.
Another great Racing Beat product.
04-01-2005, 03:55 PM
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Just to pick on this one statement because it stands out to me...what RX-8 exhausts are significantly cheaper than RB's? Seriously, its right about the average price for the most popular exhausts, which happen to put it on the low side of things.
Originally Posted by dDuB
3. One thing about racing beat I don't like are their exhausts, exlcuding just the ehader and downpipe, I think they are way overpriced for what you get when you can get similar ones for cheaper or make your own for way cheaper (this is 1st, 2nd, 3rd gen rx7 and rx8 included). I also have had issues with their true dual exhaust in the past (for 2nd gen).
04-01-2005, 03:58 PM
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Go Texas Longhorns!
Originally Posted by Nemesis8
RG is an alien from a three sided world at about 9,000 million light years away... :D
04-01-2005, 04:00 PM
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brillo, you mean it sounds like this www.lesvikings.ca/f1.htm
04-01-2005, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverBullitt
What else do you know rotarygod about the intake?
Let me guess "Cannot mention anything until RB reveals more details soon"...
Oh!!! men.. i can't wait to get it and go for a drive... I'm like a kid, but worst... :D
Let me guess "Cannot mention anything until RB reveals more details soon"...
Oh!!! men.. i can't wait to get it and go for a drive... I'm like a kid, but worst... :D
I understand dDuB's skeptism with this intake. None have performed as promised so why should this one? With so much false info going around in the market today, it is much safer to just be a skeptic of everything and let others verify claims. As I said, I don't have a problem with him. He just comes from a place where everyone tries the wrong things over and over again and a new wrong piece or technique keeps coming in to replace it. The problem doesn't lie with him, it's with the honesty of those who market products. My only goal is to support those products and companies that do work good and to expose those that don't. Guess which ones don't like me? Every once in a while a good company can make a mistake though. K&N is an example. They are a very good company and have had great success on many other cars but just plain and simple screwed up with the Typhoon intake for the RX-8. They know it and are trying to correct it. I can't fault them for that. Racing Beat even went to them to design a custom filter for this unit. In truth we'd all be safer if we were skeptics of every new product out there and if you've never dealt with that company before or known anyone who has, you should be skeptical. However someone has to do it first. Those who don't take risks never get ahead in life. It's a learning process. If it failed, you learned one way how not to do it. I have found out a whole lot of ways not to do things with rotaries!
Here's something for everyone to ponder. Can a good filter actually give you more power or does a good filter just take the least power away? Think about that one for a while!
Last edited by rotarygod; 04-01-2005 at 04:08 PM.
04-01-2005, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DARKMAZ8
Mazda has lied about hp claims and so can RB.......Im not saying it happened but Mazda did let me down so anything can happen.... 
what claim have they made?
04-01-2005, 04:14 PM
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I wouldn't consider it a lie. The engine when properly tuned CAN make 238 or even 247 hp! Ask Paul Yaw, he's done it. The problem is that they "estimated" the wrong amount for the final state of tune.
Just consider this, Chevy under rates the LS1 engines in the Z-28's. To avoid a double standard, they too must have lied about their "claims". It's amazing how suddenly the exact same thing is no longer a negative but rather a positive! In order to be honest, they should claim exactly the number those cars put out but they don't.
How does that make Mazda liars, but GM not? If it's not the same thing, it's a perception problem and therefore a double standard.
Just consider this, Chevy under rates the LS1 engines in the Z-28's. To avoid a double standard, they too must have lied about their "claims". It's amazing how suddenly the exact same thing is no longer a negative but rather a positive! In order to be honest, they should claim exactly the number those cars put out but they don't.
How does that make Mazda liars, but GM not? If it's not the same thing, it's a perception problem and therefore a double standard.
04-01-2005, 04:17 PM
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RX8 and a Truk....
Originally Posted by zoom44
no i meant what claim did RB make- i dont see an hp claim in the intake info currently on their website
ahh! He wrote 'so 'can' RB - I took that to mean "Whatever claims they make 'could' be lies...
04-01-2005, 04:20 PM
#149
RX8 and a Truk....
Originally Posted by rotarygod
I wouldn't consider it a lie. The engine when properly tuned CAN make 238 or even 247 hp! Ask Paul Yaw, he's done it. The problem is that they "estimated" the wrong amount for the final state of tune.
Just consider this, Chevy under rates the LS1 engines in the Z-28's. To avoid a double standard, they too must have lied about their "claims". It's amazing how suddenly the exact same thing is no longer a negative but rather a positive! In order to be honest, they should claim exactly the number those cars put out but they don't.
How does that make Mazda liars, but GM not? If it's not the same thing, it's a perception problem and therefore a double standard.
Just consider this, Chevy under rates the LS1 engines in the Z-28's. To avoid a double standard, they too must have lied about their "claims". It's amazing how suddenly the exact same thing is no longer a negative but rather a positive! In order to be honest, they should claim exactly the number those cars put out but they don't.
How does that make Mazda liars, but GM not? If it's not the same thing, it's a perception problem and therefore a double standard.
For most people, it's only 'lying' when it hurts them. For most people - especially politicians, something which isn't true, but makes them 'look good' is called 'embellishment'.
:D
I'd like Paul Yaw to tune my car.