View Poll Results: Which Intake
Rotary Extreme Ram Air (not released yet)
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Rotary Extreme Short Ram
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K&N Typhoon Intake
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Other brand
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11-13-2003, 09:04 AM
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Horepower fixed!
Paypal only protects in matters that you don't receive merchandise or service. Paypal protects themselves not consumers.
When a vender accepts Visa/Mastercard the consumer and vender are both protected.
Once you use Paypal most of your Visa/Mastercard rights go out the window.
Vince
Paypal only protects in matters that you don't receive merchandise or service. Paypal protects themselves not consumers.
When a vender accepts Visa/Mastercard the consumer and vender are both protected.
Once you use Paypal most of your Visa/Mastercard rights go out the window.
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11-13-2003, 09:24 AM
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Now you are criticising his website??? Sounds like a personal vendetta to discredit RE one way or the other...
So did you hassle whoever sold you the parts that you fitted to your Miata for the data etc?
So did you hassle whoever sold you the parts that you fitted to your Miata for the data etc?
11-13-2003, 09:41 AM
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To answer your question directly: NO, apparently no one else sees anything wrong at all. Now, admit it: You're really Ralph Nader, aren't you?
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Originally posted by compaddict
Doesn't anyone else see anything suspicious about all this?
1. The horsepower gains seem way to high.
2. He won't post the data.
3. His website preferes Paypal (no buyer protection).
Just my three cents.
Vince
Doesn't anyone else see anything suspicious about all this?
1. The horsepower gains seem way to high.
2. He won't post the data.
3. His website preferes Paypal (no buyer protection).
Just my three cents.
Vince
11-13-2003, 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by compaddict
Horepower fixed!
Paypal only protects in matters that you don't receive merchandise or service. Paypal protects themselves not consumers.
When a vender accepts Visa/Mastercard the consumer and vender are both protected.
Once you use Paypal most of your Visa/Mastercard rights go out the window.
Vince
Horepower fixed!
Paypal only protects in matters that you don't receive merchandise or service. Paypal protects themselves not consumers.
When a vender accepts Visa/Mastercard the consumer and vender are both protected.
Once you use Paypal most of your Visa/Mastercard rights go out the window.
Vince
11-13-2003, 10:56 AM
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So, has anyone had a chance to test this intake for themselves? I am not saying chuck is not being truthful, I am just curious if anyone has purchased one and noticed any difference, or had a chance to dyno one for themselves?
-Sinna
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11-13-2003, 11:03 AM
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IMHO, anything that starts with (what I think is) bullshit and ends with asking for my money is very suspect.
Add to that the owner not posting the data from the dyno runs when asked.
Add to that a web site that prefers Paypal and from what I can see doesn't take Visa/Mastercard.
These are real concerns and they should raise a red flag or two (or three).
I think my motives are very simple and easy to understand. There is nothing personal about them at all.
Yes I did have to do a chargeback (my first ever) with a vender called Roadster Performance. I ordered a header from them and they charged my credit card and then went 90+ days beyond the expected ship date. They also stopped answering the phone and went out of business 60 days after I got my money back.
All the other venders I still enjoy healthy relationships with.
On the other side I have been a business member of the BBB for over ten years with a retail computer store and have had a total of three complaints. Two were nut-jobs and one was something that I really did do wrong.
I also think Ralph Nader is a whack.
I hope that clears up something for somebody.
Vince
Add to that the owner not posting the data from the dyno runs when asked.
Add to that a web site that prefers Paypal and from what I can see doesn't take Visa/Mastercard.
These are real concerns and they should raise a red flag or two (or three).
I think my motives are very simple and easy to understand. There is nothing personal about them at all.
Yes I did have to do a chargeback (my first ever) with a vender called Roadster Performance. I ordered a header from them and they charged my credit card and then went 90+ days beyond the expected ship date. They also stopped answering the phone and went out of business 60 days after I got my money back.
All the other venders I still enjoy healthy relationships with.
On the other side I have been a business member of the BBB for over ten years with a retail computer store and have had a total of three complaints. Two were nut-jobs and one was something that I really did do wrong.
I also think Ralph Nader is a whack.
I hope that clears up something for somebody.
Vince
11-13-2003, 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by compaddict
IMHO, anything that starts with (what I think is) bullshit and ends with asking for my money is very suspect.
Add to that the owner not posting the data from the dyno runs when asked.
----You were the only one who asked. Everyone else thinks that the dyno plots themselves is sufficient until early customers can post back their own results.
Add to that a web site that prefers Paypal and from what I can see doesn't take Visa/Mastercard. BTW, I noticed you immediately signed up for canzoomers fuel controller, even though he did not post Raw data. Didn't see you get all over his case about it.
---I don't sweat Paypal, it is very convenient. If you have issues with Paypal, if you have had problems using Paypal, then I can sympathize with your concerns.
These are real concerns and they should raise a red flag or two (or three).
I think my motives are very simple and easy to understand. There is nothing personal about them at all.
--Sounds like you are bitter and have a personal vendetta to me. The rest of us are fine with the HP claims as they are, until independent confirmation can be obtained. This is the same as any after market performance company Big or Small. You really can't be sure of the HP claims until someone you trust (either enough 3rd parties, or someone you know personally) has confirmed the claims.
Yes I did have to do a chargeback (my first ever) with a vender called Roadster Performance. I ordered a header from them and they charged my credit card and then went 90+ days beyond the expected ship date. They also stopped answering the phone and went out of business 60 days after I got my money back.
All the other venders I still enjoy healthy relationships with.
On the other side I have been a business member of the BBB for over ten years with a retail computer store and have had a total of three complaints. Two were nut-jobs and one was something that I really did do wrong.
I also think Ralph Nader is a whack.
I hope that clears up something for somebody.
Vince
IMHO, anything that starts with (what I think is) bullshit and ends with asking for my money is very suspect.
Add to that the owner not posting the data from the dyno runs when asked.
----You were the only one who asked. Everyone else thinks that the dyno plots themselves is sufficient until early customers can post back their own results.
Add to that a web site that prefers Paypal and from what I can see doesn't take Visa/Mastercard. BTW, I noticed you immediately signed up for canzoomers fuel controller, even though he did not post Raw data. Didn't see you get all over his case about it.
---I don't sweat Paypal, it is very convenient. If you have issues with Paypal, if you have had problems using Paypal, then I can sympathize with your concerns.
These are real concerns and they should raise a red flag or two (or three).
I think my motives are very simple and easy to understand. There is nothing personal about them at all.
--Sounds like you are bitter and have a personal vendetta to me. The rest of us are fine with the HP claims as they are, until independent confirmation can be obtained. This is the same as any after market performance company Big or Small. You really can't be sure of the HP claims until someone you trust (either enough 3rd parties, or someone you know personally) has confirmed the claims.
Yes I did have to do a chargeback (my first ever) with a vender called Roadster Performance. I ordered a header from them and they charged my credit card and then went 90+ days beyond the expected ship date. They also stopped answering the phone and went out of business 60 days after I got my money back.
All the other venders I still enjoy healthy relationships with.
On the other side I have been a business member of the BBB for over ten years with a retail computer store and have had a total of three complaints. Two were nut-jobs and one was something that I really did do wrong.
I also think Ralph Nader is a whack.
I hope that clears up something for somebody.
Vince
11-13-2003, 02:57 PM
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The one that starts with bull **** is you. Everything you said is based on your assumptions. Now you have to criticize my preferred payment method?
1. Call PayPal and ask them about my record. Zero complaints ever since I used them.
2. Go to RX7 Forum and look up Rotary Extreme see if I ever take people's money without sending products or if I ever screwed anyone.
3. Ask the forum members here to see any one got screwed.
You can easily verify all those with a little bit of work so you don't have to make all those assumptions.
Chuck Huang
1. Call PayPal and ask them about my record. Zero complaints ever since I used them.
2. Go to RX7 Forum and look up Rotary Extreme see if I ever take people's money without sending products or if I ever screwed anyone.
3. Ask the forum members here to see any one got screwed.
You can easily verify all those with a little bit of work so you don't have to make all those assumptions.
Chuck Huang
Originally posted by compaddict
IMHO, anything that starts with (what I think is) bullshit and ends with asking for my money is very suspect.
Add to that the owner not posting the data from the dyno runs when asked.
Add to that a web site that prefers Paypal and from what I can see doesn't take Visa/Mastercard.
These are real concerns and they should raise a red flag or two (or three).
I think my motives are very simple and easy to understand. There is nothing personal about them at all.
Yes I did have to do a chargeback (my first ever) with a vender called Roadster Performance. I ordered a header from them and they charged my credit card and then went 90+ days beyond the expected ship date. They also stopped answering the phone and went out of business 60 days after I got my money back.
All the other venders I still enjoy healthy relationships with.
On the other side I have been a business member of the BBB for over ten years with a retail computer store and have had a total of three complaints. Two were nut-jobs and one was something that I really did do wrong.
I also think Ralph Nader is a whack.
I hope that clears up something for somebody.
Vince
IMHO, anything that starts with (what I think is) bullshit and ends with asking for my money is very suspect.
Add to that the owner not posting the data from the dyno runs when asked.
Add to that a web site that prefers Paypal and from what I can see doesn't take Visa/Mastercard.
These are real concerns and they should raise a red flag or two (or three).
I think my motives are very simple and easy to understand. There is nothing personal about them at all.
Yes I did have to do a chargeback (my first ever) with a vender called Roadster Performance. I ordered a header from them and they charged my credit card and then went 90+ days beyond the expected ship date. They also stopped answering the phone and went out of business 60 days after I got my money back.
All the other venders I still enjoy healthy relationships with.
On the other side I have been a business member of the BBB for over ten years with a retail computer store and have had a total of three complaints. Two were nut-jobs and one was something that I really did do wrong.
I also think Ralph Nader is a whack.
I hope that clears up something for somebody.
Vince
11-13-2003, 03:07 PM
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One of the vendors got it and is testing it out on their car right now.
The rest of orders will be shipped on Monday. You should hear from them shortly if they want to post here.
Chuck Huang
The rest of orders will be shipped on Monday. You should hear from them shortly if they want to post here.
Chuck Huang
Originally posted by Sinna
So, has anyone had a chance to test this intake for themselves? I am not saying chuck is not being truthful, I am just curious if anyone has purchased one and noticed any difference, or had a chance to dyno one for themselves?
-Sinna
So, has anyone had a chance to test this intake for themselves? I am not saying chuck is not being truthful, I am just curious if anyone has purchased one and noticed any difference, or had a chance to dyno one for themselves?
-Sinna
11-13-2003, 03:17 PM
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Chuck -- this must be what it is like to be constantly heckled when trying to give a speech. I would just ignore Vince -- I think he is just doing this because he keeps getting a rise out of you. My take is that 99% of the people here appreciate your efforts and are open to letting your products speak for themselves. I have seen nothing that would make me think your products are anything but top notch. I have a Borla exhaust on my 8 and I am sure Vince would say that the hp claims are bs for that also -- but let me say there is a noticable power difference above 7k rpms and I don't need a dyno or raw data to prove it.
Keep up the good work and forget about Vince.
Keep up the good work and forget about Vince.
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11-14-2003, 10:48 PM
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I have to say Compact, you have some pretty big *****. I've dealt with Chuck in the past and he's been a great person (and business) to deal with. I've never had a single problem in several high $$$ transactions. Being a business owner, you should be aware of the cost of obtaining a reasonable account with Visa/Mastercard and the risks involved.
As far as the whole dynojet thing goes, raw data will not show anything that the SAE corrected graph won't show. Out of curiosity, do you know ANYTHING about operating a dyno and how the correction factors work? If you did, you'd be asking to see the correcdtion factors used on both posted runs, not the raw data. The correction factor ensures that both runs are "compatible" in terms of comparison. Let's say the 20min. it took for Chuck to swap intakes the ambient air temp went up 10 degrees? That's completely feasible and does happen if the first run is done first thing in the morning. So...raw data may show a smaller increase in power. It may also show that certain factors such as ambient temp are different. How then do you validate or nullify the results? In theory, Dynojet's correction factor allows anyone, anywhere to compare two different cars given that the dynamometer model in question is the same and both are maintained within specs.
I'm just interested in what you think the raw data will show? I'm also curious what your experience is in a)modifying cars and b)tuning on a dyno.
I ask because if you knew half as much as your terse comments would suggest, you'd be asking for correction factors and air/fuel ratios as well (I'd go into the whole a/f ratio and larger filter thing but it's too long and drawn out). Whatcha think?
As far as the whole dynojet thing goes, raw data will not show anything that the SAE corrected graph won't show. Out of curiosity, do you know ANYTHING about operating a dyno and how the correction factors work? If you did, you'd be asking to see the correcdtion factors used on both posted runs, not the raw data. The correction factor ensures that both runs are "compatible" in terms of comparison. Let's say the 20min. it took for Chuck to swap intakes the ambient air temp went up 10 degrees? That's completely feasible and does happen if the first run is done first thing in the morning. So...raw data may show a smaller increase in power. It may also show that certain factors such as ambient temp are different. How then do you validate or nullify the results? In theory, Dynojet's correction factor allows anyone, anywhere to compare two different cars given that the dynamometer model in question is the same and both are maintained within specs.
I'm just interested in what you think the raw data will show? I'm also curious what your experience is in a)modifying cars and b)tuning on a dyno.
I ask because if you knew half as much as your terse comments would suggest, you'd be asking for correction factors and air/fuel ratios as well (I'd go into the whole a/f ratio and larger filter thing but it's too long and drawn out). Whatcha think?
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Skipping the first two paragraphs..
Raw data shows the speed of the car on the dyno and if they have WB setup you can see A/F ratio.
My first engine build (around 1981) was Chevy 250 six with a forged crank, custom Chet Herbert cam, Clifford Research 4BBL manifold, six into two long tube headers, Accel electronic dist., MSD ignition, Carter 400CFM carb, full port & polish with 327 Corvette valves. All put together and tuned by me (not on a dyno).
I did an engine swap into a Subaru with an import only dual carb Subaru engine about six years later.
I did a mild custom engine in a mostly full restoration of a MB220SE around two years after that.
And my latest is a CSP Miata that I have over one hundred dyno runs on.
I can be a very good tuner but the TEC3 has a bit of a learning curve and it's really hard to tune on the street because of speed and noise concerns. So I wouldn't consider myself a good tuner with it yet.
How do you feel about the horsepower claims made by Chuck?
Vince
Raw data shows the speed of the car on the dyno and if they have WB setup you can see A/F ratio.
My first engine build (around 1981) was Chevy 250 six with a forged crank, custom Chet Herbert cam, Clifford Research 4BBL manifold, six into two long tube headers, Accel electronic dist., MSD ignition, Carter 400CFM carb, full port & polish with 327 Corvette valves. All put together and tuned by me (not on a dyno).
I did an engine swap into a Subaru with an import only dual carb Subaru engine about six years later.
I did a mild custom engine in a mostly full restoration of a MB220SE around two years after that.
And my latest is a CSP Miata that I have over one hundred dyno runs on.
I can be a very good tuner but the TEC3 has a bit of a learning curve and it's really hard to tune on the street because of speed and noise concerns. So I wouldn't consider myself a good tuner with it yet.
How do you feel about the horsepower claims made by Chuck?
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11-15-2003, 02:11 PM
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I have 4 people bought them at retail. 1 of them was sold to a shop who already put it on their car and love it so far. The other 3 will be shipped on Monday.
So far no one has joined the group buy.
If there is any one putting down group buy deposit on the intake, I will post their name on the same page. If you go to the group buy page and see nothing, that means no one has put down any money yet. Thank you.
Chuck Huang
So far no one has joined the group buy.
If there is any one putting down group buy deposit on the intake, I will post their name on the same page. If you go to the group buy page and see nothing, that means no one has put down any money yet. Thank you.
Chuck Huang
Originally posted by Omicron
Chuck, how many people have signed up for the group buy?
Chuck, how many people have signed up for the group buy?
11-15-2003, 10:32 PM
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That's weird...maybe I'm making a bad assumption here, but from their web site the Typhoon series looks like the "all show" cone filter on a color-coordinated tube thing, as opposed to the FIPK series which seems more "real." Maybe that's not correct, but that's the impression I get from their site. Also, the prototype that was discussed elsewhere on this forum looked like more of an FIPK-style intake. So this is kind of odd...
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11-16-2003, 12:05 AM
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Does anyone remember that "special" kid in grade school who would always dance around and try to start trouble even though the rest of the class constantly ignored him? Somehow that just popped in my head and I thought it relevant. Oh well.
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I have 5 intake kits going out on Monday. I know 2 of them are from this forum. I will ask them to post some reviews after they install them. Thank you.
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BTW, I just want to thank everyone for the support. There are many people who have supported me and my company in this thread. My appreciation goes to every one of you. Thanks again.
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Originally posted by rotarygod
Does anyone remember that "special" kid in grade school who would always dance around and try to start trouble even though the rest of the class constantly ignored him? Somehow that just popped in my head and I thought it relevant. Oh well.
Does anyone remember that "special" kid in grade school who would always dance around and try to start trouble even though the rest of the class constantly ignored him? Somehow that just popped in my head and I thought it relevant. Oh well.
I keep looking for smart people in this thread even though I know that informed smart people saw the first few posts and never looked back.
Enjoy the bliss.
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11-16-2003, 11:07 AM
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I have 5 intake kits going out on Monday. I know 2 of them are from this forum. I will ask them to post some reviews after they install them. Thank you.
Chuck
I have 5 intake kits going out on Monday. I know 2 of them are from this forum. I will ask them to post some reviews after they install them. Thank you.
Chuck
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11-16-2003, 11:37 AM
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Gordan:
Obviously I can't ask them to get their cars on the dyno since I am not paying for it. If they want to put their car on the dyno and swap the intake on the dyno and post the dynosheets, they are more than welcome to do so.
Chuck Huang
Obviously I can't ask them to get their cars on the dyno since I am not paying for it. If they want to put their car on the dyno and swap the intake on the dyno and post the dynosheets, they are more than welcome to do so.
Chuck Huang
Originally posted by Gord96BRG
Maybe ask them to post before and after dyno charts? Otherwise (as has been discussed), the typical new mod syndrome will mean that they will love it, love the sound, and can definitely "feel" an improvement. No slam at your intake, Chuck, but that syndrome applies to every power-enhancing mod for every car on the market. Butt dynos are worthless. A review lacking before/after dyno charts is pretty much worthless as well in determining (independently) if the intake is actually adding anything.
Regards,
Gordon
Maybe ask them to post before and after dyno charts? Otherwise (as has been discussed), the typical new mod syndrome will mean that they will love it, love the sound, and can definitely "feel" an improvement. No slam at your intake, Chuck, but that syndrome applies to every power-enhancing mod for every car on the market. Butt dynos are worthless. A review lacking before/after dyno charts is pretty much worthless as well in determining (independently) if the intake is actually adding anything.
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11-16-2003, 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by compaddict
I think my biggest mistake is arguing with idiots.
I keep looking for smart people in this thread even though I know that informed smart people saw the first few posts and never looked back.
Enjoy the bliss.
Vince
I think my biggest mistake is arguing with idiots.
I keep looking for smart people in this thread even though I know that informed smart people saw the first few posts and never looked back.
Enjoy the bliss.
Vince
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