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Old 01-05-2006, 11:01 AM
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A MAF is a MAF, for the most part. They aren't interchangable, but they all do the same thing.
The idea would be to use one of the other MAFs for a Ford product like the Cobra and re-write the translation table into the PCM.
It would take some dyno time, but it wouldn't be too difficult if you have access to the OEM PCM airflow tables.

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probab;y take me longer than MM sinc ehe doesnt have a 1 yr old tryign to climb onto his back
Better than a monkey!

Here it is:
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I like MM's idea. That's what Kenne Bell does on the Mustang... provides a bigger MAF as part of their S/C kit.
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here is the pin out- jeffs is better
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
A MAF is a MAF, for the most part. They aren't interchangable, but they all do the same thing.
The idea would be to use one of the other MAFs for a Ford product like the Cobra and re-write the translation table into the PCM.

use the one from the ford GT - it has more room i thinkl- i read an article just 2 days ago about someone switching to the GT maf for a mustang SC project
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someone explain to me how jeff quoted my post which shows on the page after his?

oh wait he edited
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Drink more coffee Charlie - it's still early on the West coast
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the lightning has a 90 mm MAF unit calibrated for 42# or 440 cc, it is a very popular meter to put on any ford motor. You can find them new or used from $50-$100.

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Any idea how a new TB would work with our Electronic Throttle? Seems we'd need a cable-throttle conversion, no?
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
A MAF is a MAF, for the most part. They aren't interchangable, but they all do the same thing.
The idea would be to use one of the other MAFs for a Ford product like the Cobra and re-write the translation table into the PCM.
It would take some dyno time, but it wouldn't be too difficult if you have access to the OEM PCM airflow tables.

Better than a monkey!

Here it is:

You're right, this isn't something difficult to do. This is something that we're doing with the Ford's already. We've even designed our own 95mm meter with our own custom transfer function so we can support vehicles up to 925 hp (far after the stock meter has "pegged"). I was just wondering if there was another brand meter already out (with their own custom transfer function). If so, I probably need to check it out. I have all the factory Ford meters covered already.

Edit: oops, didn't mean to attach the picture

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No, there aren't as yet any aftermarket AFMs calibrated for our purpose. Most people are handling boost with the addition of a MAP sensor.
The OEM MAF will handle about 50% over maximum possible N/A flow.
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hey i dotn think this was mentioned yet- we need control over the knock sensor timing adjustments- dont want it adding too much back in
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If this isn't too good to be true, and you can keep it affordable (definitely not over 1k, hopefully around the 600 and under range), you could sign me up today.
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Originally Posted by cleoent
If this isn't too good to be true, and you can keep it affordable (definitely not over 1k, hopefully around the 600 and under range), you could sign me up today.

As a guideline for pricing - my Wife just got an SCT tuner for her F150....$450 loaded with Three custom tunes by troyerperformance.com. EXCELLENT and easy device to use.

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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
ABS controls/affects Speed info
I was thinking about this today on the way home from work - and the implications. If what you're suggesting is true, Fooling the ABS into thinking the front wheels aren't spinning defeats the speedlimiter....wouldnt pulling the power to those sensors do the same thing? Thus, anytime somebody wants to TRY to hit 160mph, all they have to do is cut the power to one or more ABS sensors...if what you're saying is correct.

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I would think ABS could come in REAL handy at 160 MPH+. I'm not so sure I'd like to have it dissabled just to "fool the computer". something to think about.
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Originally Posted by zoom44
use the one from the ford GT - it has more room i thinkl- i read an article just 2 days ago about someone switching to the GT maf for a mustang SC project
Or use the one from the 5.4L Triton V8. Either that or a custom made one is what the pros (Saleen, Kenne Bell, Rousch) are using.
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Originally Posted by dmp
Any idea how a new TB would work with our Electronic Throttle? Seems we'd need a cable-throttle conversion, no?
No. All the TB we are talking about ARE electronic. I am not sure what re-programming or "adpaters" may be needed, but you don't need a cable-throttle conversion.

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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
OK. Fair enough.
The most important things would be direct fuel and timing control in full 3-D and the time/load overlays. This would mean all six injectors, all four coils and the split table.
Also, in connection with this, would be control over A/F targets and the WBO2S with control over the open/closed-loop entry points. Without that, any of the timing and fuel changes would just throw CELs.
Speed limiting and FAN control would be at the bottom of the list.

Next, I would go for control of the NBO2S, DBW throttle and S-DAIS followed by CAN priorities (AUX devices like TPMS, EPS and ABS/TCS) and then PCM aux stuff like fans, A/C, etc.

It is important that the fuel/timing control be on four axis - RPM, airflow, throttle position and time.
What MazdaManiac decribed above would definitely be a great start! And I would just add "target idle speed" table.

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Originally Posted by Rasputin
And I would just add "target idle speed" table.

Fabrice
Oh yeah! I totally forgot that one. That is REAL important because the 850 RPM or so that Mazda sets is way too low.
All kinds of throttle response, fuel consumption and vibration issues would be fixed for a lot of people just by raising the idle speed to 950 RPM.
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MM one of the many best things you have ever said---yes RAISE the idle speed!
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Maurice mentioned to me at some point a few month ago that the idle fuel consumption went down by something like 40% or 50% just by raising the idle to 1k.
I know that there is a significantly "rougher" feeling to the idle when mine settles to a stop and drops that last 100 RPM from the 950 coast setting to the 850 stationary setting.
The A/Fs don't look any richer (mine idles at 14:9 to 15:1), but it sure feels that way.
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I seemed to have read somewhere that the firing order actually changes at idle. Is that true?
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Post Split.....

Yes, at warm idle the "split" between L & T firing actually becomes quite negative, with the trailing plugs firing first.

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