XeRo

i was commenting on Alex's post about the Greddy oil pan, if you had bought that also...you asked more about it, i forgot to quote that in my post...oops..it's on the first page of the thread...sorry...i'm specifically talking about the Greddy Oil Pan..separate from the catch tank,..

alex

I'm taking the approach of a well managed system .. so rather than spending loads on Motec, I'm going to go for the HKS Vpro system -- it has to be tuned by HKS professionals and the computer is extremely fast and does has more features than others, which in the end, might be a major factor.

The installers suggested that I get a boost controller .. so, I am just listening

btw - what kind of exhaust?

projectcar

i called the shop that was working on my car, and they were planning on putting one on for me wheather i like it or not...

projectcar

Alex..... i have a greddy exhaust... and what your talking about the emanage.. it came wit the greddy turbo kit... r u using a different kind of turbo?
either or ,.......... once all on ill post stats, i expect the same... do u have any pics?

alex

I'm waiting on my kit to arrive as well -- same setup -- Greddy Kit, HKS Vpro, HKS BOV, HKS turbo timer, HKS boost controller, some misc. engine component upgrades, catch can, oil pan, MOP.

No pictures yet since my car is in LA and I'm about 6 hrs north of LA, in San Jose.

Alex

projectcar

that's far away... i couldnt be that far away from my whip. wat is a vpro and a bov? i went wit the greddy timer, and debating on what boost controller

alex

V-Pro (full name is F-Con Vpro) Its HKS' profressional vresion of a standalone (and piggy back ECU) ONLY programmable by HKS professionals. The reason why its not as popular is because not many people out there are certified by HKS to tune it; therefore, they do not have the software. HKS Vpro has a ton of features and it one of the more faster processing computer out there, on top of that has a 32-bit processor and finer resolution for tuning (with repsect to rpms).

The BOV is the Blow off Valve .. just good to have when you don't need the boost, let is release to the air (that cool pssssst! sound you hear on some turbos) or have a recirculating option.

I want boost controll so I can control the boost on days I don't want to run high. I'm not sure if changing the boost control also effects the V-pro, but I have a feeling ti does -- my tuner recommends this setup and is heavily on creating a reliable setup.

BTW -- I'm also buying parts for the rotor itself .. houssings, rotor and seals to finish it off ...

I dn't plan on running below 300whp... I think its a tad too little considering most of us come from the hey-day of tuned 6-bangers w/ turbos and FMIC's. I'm estimating something a lot higher, more reliable and supported by the tuner/fabrication guys as well. So, I don't really care for Mazda's oil change and what not ...

alex

Dangrzne25

Does the Greddy turbo kit come with a BOV? if not can you use any universal one or is there a specific one for that kit?

projectcar

except for that extra tuning.. im doin the same... im goin wit the rs.. i think blow off valve... its the blue one made by greddy... not that purple one...

also where did you find the housings, rotors and seals.. i want to do that but am looking still, what did those run ya?

that extra tuning wit the vpro... does that add hp or is it just better for the car?
looks like we got the same desire for our engines....


also to dangrzne25 the blow off is not included but highly suggested for the turbo..

alex

the Vpro may get more HP but rather gives you more reliability at differing upgrades levels. I suppose for the timid upgrade, the Vpro is overkill -- but I think for turbo application (on an NA-only engine) would probably be better. Besides, the Vpro states in their prodcut sheet that its aware of the drive by wire systems and all that new stuff.

As for the engine stuff -- I think the boards has answered that one question on turbo and reliabilty (in the motor context) well enough. If you want to get **reliable** power (w/out just dropping NOS and what not) I strongly think the housings, rotors and the apex seals need to be better and stronger, in order to boost at higher pressure along w/ the accurate tuning w/ a profressional-grade standalone. Problem is finding an HKS certified tuner :D

I strongly believe the insides of the renesis wasn't built for turbo's w/ big boost -- I figure Greddy figured that out and went w/ a mild boost pressure and tune. As for me, I've driven FD's that were waaay above 300 whp and I felt pretty comfortable driving at that level, so that's another reason why I'm willing to drop a shiny dime.

projectcar

ya they suggested the stronger rotors and apex seal to me... but were looking for it.. they said it wasn''t that much but... the time it takes kills the pocket.. but i bet within a week that will be my next goal...
you've driven FD's? whats that..
i read on a board someone tryin to drop the 3 rotor engine in it... if all this ain't good enough.. iim goin for it..


but how much did you find those sealss and rotors for... and where if online?

projectcar

i don't think im going to try the vpro thing, unless what im doin needs it......... so i expect some feed back... they said mine will be all together thurs or friday at the latest

alex

Oh, by FD, I meant the FD3STT -- RX7 93'. I was lucky enough to grasp the feel of the rotary pushing at those types of whp's and it feels nice ... to me, after owning a 91 300ZXTT .. it was quite easier to drive under those HP conditions. So, that's why I originally wanted the RX8 .. I thought there would be a turbo version later or tons of kits out for the car -- but didn't really happen was fast as I had imagined.

As for Vpro .. its a $1400 computer -- http://www.hksusa.com/products/?id=1965 -- check it out ... so, for my car, they're goign to mount this computer in the dash of my car; probably where the MP3 is supposed to go or I'm going to have to get something made for it. kinda looks cool when you seeit there.

Good luck w/ your car and happy driving!

Moostafa29

3 rotor would be sweet, but unless you want to drop like $30k, I would suggest getting your power another way. But if you do decide to go 3 rotor, 20b engine, I'm sure a lot of us will support you...in spirit, not financially :D

projectcar

in spirit that's funny...

alex;;; im askin bout the price on the stronger rotor's and apex.. what prices did u get for that...
as for the vpro.. it looks like it's goin to have to wait... im about 14000 in aftermarket parts and still going... so let me know how it is.. and ill see what i can round up

projectcar

also you got to remember that our car is brand new... when i got it in 04' there was nothing to really add at all... but now there is "kinda alot" and it's still coming....
it's for that reason i only started addin aftermarket parts bout 2 months ago... so i didn't rush into any crappy parts... and ill wait as long as it takes to get my car the way i want

alex

As for parts, its not too pricey because most of the parts will come from the RX7 engine. So, I dn't need the entire motor and there are guys at shops who has good rotors for sale. Or you can buy parts brand new. I'm looking at roughly 3-4k on engine parts. So, all together would be around $14k, like yours.

Moostafa29

Damn bro. You're going all out. You should get it ported while the engine is apart. I'm sure that you'll want to do it later anyway.

alex

I figured I'd have this car for a while ... or at least past 2007. If I'm going to drive it hard, might as well have done the job right .. stronger engine, great computer and a turbo kit (hopefuilly) is sufficient for the job

projectcar

ya im doinf all i can to upgrade, and mod... but im just goin to pay my car off asap.. and have it be my toy car.... i don't plan on selliing it.. this is the 1st yr its' out so.. i don't know, it might be one to save many yrs down the line.. mine once again will be finished thurs night or friday... then... im sure ill have many many comments.

also did u read the thread on major horse power upgrades, about wanting it at 500 hp... try to find it and read down alittle i think still on the first page about the guy that bet's a dollar that he can do it, then that same guy alittle further down writes what he would do... haha he's nuts, and very smart... try to find it and get back to me on your comments about that.

about porting and the rotors and apex, ill prob do that a month or so after my turbo is on... my piggy bank is on the brink of being broken.

projectcar

on the one i told you to read in the llast post, in the horse power threads, i commented on it so it will be up at the top.... and the guys thread i want u to read is the GUINTAR----- or something like that... he has two or three on the first page.. worth reading.

projectcar

that last one was a little confusing... i posted the last post on page three... and that one, read the thread about the 500hp .... and within that thread page, read guritars---- comments

hahah

alex

Oh, that's rotarygod's comments.

Well, the things I'm doing to the motor is lowering compression, or in an attempt to do so by using its internal parts. There will probably be some work invovled pulling it together but I trust blast and the famous Mr. Wakita, to do the work right.

RG's comments on MOTEC is only for the fact that is supports Drive-by-wire. The HKS Vpro does as well at 1/2 the price, or more. Just need a HKS tech to do the tune.

I figure the eccentric shaft may have t change .. but it depends on well the renensis one is made, no one really knows .. its assumed it isn't built for highspeed bursts of speed.

At this point .. I'm still unsure .. but those comments is wht I was hoping this shop would do. Gotta call them later today askign what their plan is regarding internals.

alex

projectcar

i read what u read and re looked up what i was talkin about... and i don't think so... i don' t know who posted the tread, but they are asking "how to get 500hp"
and within that.... comments from guitarjunkie says how to get an easy 400.. i just thought it was interesting.

also i read earlier i forget where, some guy posted like the ten major reasons y the 8 can't be fast and went into major detail... he ripped the 8...
but when we're done we'll have something to say

projectcar

i think you read the wrong one... it was from a kid "asking how to get it to 500hp" and guitarjukie said some interesting stuff how to easly get it to 400plus.. if it's the same one.. my bad... if not you should read it.