What the '8 is capable of...
12-20-2004, 06:34 AM
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I offered the results of my efforts to encourage others to proceed with improving on their 8s and let them know there are possibilities.
I invested heavy in my car to make the upgrades. In other words I put my money into it, not my opinion.
This forum I thought was to help each other in our efforts to make the rotary stand out in the crowd, not flex feeble egos.
For you info, most of the dyno operators in our area don't have dynos that will read the rotary passed 6600 RPM because they are set for piston engines. I am well aware of the fact that the rotary will rev to 14K plus. And the results presented was accumulative of everything that has been done to the car to date.
For smarty pants who can't figure out how anyone can get a 0-60 reading, how did all the car manufactures secure the initial 0-60 rating. If they can do it so can we don’t you think.
And for those who noticed that removing the cat would result in not being able to pass emissions testing. Keen observers of the obvious. One would think that there are ways to handle the challenge. Funny, since the cat is a bolt in section, and it happens to match the race pipe perfectly, maybe simply putting the cat back in for the emissions test would resolve the challenge, or simple register the car in an area that does not have emissions testing. Perhaps you might consider presuming that if I am going to go to the trouble of buying a relatively expensive car and then go the expense and trouble of removing the cat, I would have covered the basis of the emissions testing issue.
As far as reducing weight on the fly wheel (and pulleys yet to be installed) and gaining delivered hp to the rear wheels. Seems some one forgot that the hp of the engine is used for a lot of other tasks besides simply moving the car down the road. If the car doesn’t not have to use HP to move the fly wheel then it can deceiver more to the wheels. Many of these changes did not actually increase the available hp simply forced the hp to be redirected to the wheels as opposed to moving excess weight, or due to super rich factory tuning to make the cat last longer or hp restraint do to the cat in the system.
One of the dealers is working on building a supercharger kit they hope may deliver an extra 100 to 150hp to the wheels. We will see.
Now, are we all going to work together to make our RX cars the best on the road, or is this just going to be an ego flexing one ups man ship and name calling session. I could simply keep the results of my effort silent and let the rest of you simply flounder and figure in out on you own.
Which will it be. Do we continue sharing, for continue the baby talk of children who have no respect, but simply choose to listen to the chatter of their own feeble opinion.
The Black Knight
I invested heavy in my car to make the upgrades. In other words I put my money into it, not my opinion.
This forum I thought was to help each other in our efforts to make the rotary stand out in the crowd, not flex feeble egos.
For you info, most of the dyno operators in our area don't have dynos that will read the rotary passed 6600 RPM because they are set for piston engines. I am well aware of the fact that the rotary will rev to 14K plus. And the results presented was accumulative of everything that has been done to the car to date.
For smarty pants who can't figure out how anyone can get a 0-60 reading, how did all the car manufactures secure the initial 0-60 rating. If they can do it so can we don’t you think.
And for those who noticed that removing the cat would result in not being able to pass emissions testing. Keen observers of the obvious. One would think that there are ways to handle the challenge. Funny, since the cat is a bolt in section, and it happens to match the race pipe perfectly, maybe simply putting the cat back in for the emissions test would resolve the challenge, or simple register the car in an area that does not have emissions testing. Perhaps you might consider presuming that if I am going to go to the trouble of buying a relatively expensive car and then go the expense and trouble of removing the cat, I would have covered the basis of the emissions testing issue.
As far as reducing weight on the fly wheel (and pulleys yet to be installed) and gaining delivered hp to the rear wheels. Seems some one forgot that the hp of the engine is used for a lot of other tasks besides simply moving the car down the road. If the car doesn’t not have to use HP to move the fly wheel then it can deceiver more to the wheels. Many of these changes did not actually increase the available hp simply forced the hp to be redirected to the wheels as opposed to moving excess weight, or due to super rich factory tuning to make the cat last longer or hp restraint do to the cat in the system.
One of the dealers is working on building a supercharger kit they hope may deliver an extra 100 to 150hp to the wheels. We will see.
Now, are we all going to work together to make our RX cars the best on the road, or is this just going to be an ego flexing one ups man ship and name calling session. I could simply keep the results of my effort silent and let the rest of you simply flounder and figure in out on you own.
Which will it be. Do we continue sharing, for continue the baby talk of children who have no respect, but simply choose to listen to the chatter of their own feeble opinion.
The Black Knight
12-20-2004, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueRenesis82
At the very least I would like to see the maps, I want to buy an eManage and get it tuned.
12-20-2004, 06:47 AM
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I attempted to convert the greedy maps to pdf but no go. Do you have the greedy e-manage softe ware to re .gcs extentions?
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12-20-2004, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by dmp
This line right here makes me suspect this guy is full of shi-..er..'crap'.
Nobody who is serious about tuning, or has a clue about tuning suggests lighter flywheels 'make HP go up'.
ESPECIALLY on a dyno, where a 4th or 5th gear dyno pull wouldn't show much if ANY gain with a lightened Flywheel.
Nobody who is serious about tuning, or has a clue about tuning suggests lighter flywheels 'make HP go up'.
ESPECIALLY on a dyno, where a 4th or 5th gear dyno pull wouldn't show much if ANY gain with a lightened Flywheel.
Is that so? Basted on your attidute, you must be a young pup who needs to learn a manner or two.
The Black Knight.
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12-20-2004, 06:59 AM
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Hey DCS, it seems you are a bit misunderstood around here. I had some sceptics when I first began posting stories about my mods and their gains, as well. The real critics came out when I started talking about 13-second 1/4 mile times like you have. After a while people began to figure out that I am not some idiot trying to look and sound cool by talking a line of b.s. It takes some time to develop credibility amongst the masses so be patient. It also helps if you can discuss the benefits and/or changes that certain mods make in detail. Telling a compelling story even with only a small measure of science involved is more entertaining and believable than just posting numbers, hence the critics. At my level of mods I am running 13.7@103 mph. With my nitrous set up cutting between .9 and 1.1 seconds off of my e.t. I think a 12.7-12.8 is coming up next, and that is on the factory tires and wheels. It took me quite a few posts and stories before I developed the cred that people will no longer question my validity or honesty. In addition, I offer detailed help and my personal phone number to those who would like to follow in my steps. With many charlatans out there it is easy to understand peoples' reluctance to accept that which we have to offer out-of-hand. Thanks for your posts and I look forward to reading more from you in the future.
Charles Hill
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12-20-2004, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by dmp
Another flag -
Nobody dyno's an RX8 and quits at 6600rpms. RX8s can run 14.5 STOCK.
I smell bs....
I hope I'm wrong, and the poor grammar, and inaccurate statements are honest mistakes....
...calling it as I see it.
Nobody dyno's an RX8 and quits at 6600rpms. RX8s can run 14.5 STOCK.
I smell bs....
I hope I'm wrong, and the poor grammar, and inaccurate statements are honest mistakes....
...calling it as I see it.
Not only poor spelling but manners as well. The reason the dyno's quite a 6600RPM in our are is because no one who operates them have them set up to read past 6600RPM because they are all set for piston engines.
I am well aware of what my rotary will do.
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12-20-2004, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by dmp
ANOTHER note - How can ANYONE measure 0-60 times? I know of knowbody who owns laser or radar timing devices.
Good, question. Why don't you ask Mazda, GM, Mercedes, and the rest of the car makers how they did it when they put out the initial 0-60 specs then you will know how we did it.
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12-20-2004, 07:14 AM
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Hey Charles,
You might have done this already but did you ever think about posting your upgrades both good and bad in chronological order on a web page so others can see what you did / going to do step by step and the resulting improvements in performance? It doesn’t need to be too detailed. This would be both helpful to us and save you from reposting about upgrades that you have previously posted about. It doesn’t need to be fancy and free web space is not hard to find. I can help if interested.
You might have done this already but did you ever think about posting your upgrades both good and bad in chronological order on a web page so others can see what you did / going to do step by step and the resulting improvements in performance? It doesn’t need to be too detailed. This would be both helpful to us and save you from reposting about upgrades that you have previously posted about. It doesn’t need to be fancy and free web space is not hard to find. I can help if interested.
Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
Hey DCS, it seems you are a bit misunderstood around here. I had some sceptics when I first began posting stories about my mods and their gains, as well. The real critics came out when I started talking about 13-second 1/4 mile times like you have. After a while people began to figure out that I am not some idiot trying to look and sound cool by talking a line of b.s. It takes some time to develop credibility amongst the masses so be patient. It also helps if you can discuss the benefits and/or changes that certain mods make in detail. Telling a compelling story even with only a small measure of science involved is more entertaining and believable than just posting numbers, hence the critics. At my level of mods I am running 13.7@103 mph. With my nitrous set up cutting between .9 and 1.1 seconds off of my e.t. I think a 12.7-12.8 is coming up next, and that is on the factory tires and wheels. It took me quite a few posts and stories before I developed the cred that people will no longer question my validity or honesty. In addition, I offer detailed help and my personal phone number to those who would like to follow in my steps. With many charlatans out there it is easy to understand peoples' reluctance to accept that which we have to offer out-of-hand. Thanks for your posts and I look forward to reading more from you in the future.
Charles Hill
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12-20-2004, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by DCSBlack Knight
I offered the results of my efforts to encourage others to proceed with improving on their 8s and let them know there are possibilities.
I invested heavy in my car to make the upgrades. In other words I put my money into it, not my opinion.
This forum I thought was to help each other in our efforts to make the rotary stand out in the crowd, not flex feeble egos.
For you info, most of the dyno operators in our area don't have dynos that will read the rotary passed 6600 RPM because they are set for piston engines. I am well aware of the fact that the rotary will rev to 14K plus. And the results presented was accumulative of everything that has been done to the car to date.
For smarty pants who can't figure out how anyone can get a 0-60 reading, how did all the car manufactures secure the initial 0-60 rating. If they can do it so can we don’t you think.
And for those who noticed that removing the cat would result in not being able to pass emissions testing. Keen observers of the obvious. One would think that there are ways to handle the challenge. Funny, since the cat is a bolt in section, and it happens to match the race pipe perfectly, maybe simply putting the cat back in for the emissions test would resolve the challenge, or simple register the car in an area that does not have emissions testing. Perhaps you might consider presuming that if I am going to go to the trouble of buying a relatively expensive car and then go the expense and trouble of removing the cat, I would have covered the basis of the emissions testing issue.
As far as reducing weight on the fly wheel (and pulleys yet to be installed) and gaining delivered hp to the rear wheels. Seems some one forgot that the hp of the engine is used for a lot of other tasks besides simply moving the car down the road. If the car doesn’t not have to use HP to move the fly wheel then it can deceiver more to the wheels. Many of these changes did not actually increase the available hp simply forced the hp to be redirected to the wheels as opposed to moving excess weight, or due to super rich factory tuning to make the cat last longer or hp restraint do to the cat in the system.
One of the dealers is working on building a supercharger kit they hope may deliver an extra 100 to 150hp to the wheels. We will see.
Now, are we all going to work together to make our RX cars the best on the road, or is this just going to be an ego flexing one ups man ship and name calling session. I could simply keep the results of my effort silent and let the rest of you simply flounder and figure in out on you own.
Which will it be. Do we continue sharing, for continue the baby talk of children who have no respect, but simply choose to listen to the chatter of their own feeble opinion.
The Black Knight
I invested heavy in my car to make the upgrades. In other words I put my money into it, not my opinion.
This forum I thought was to help each other in our efforts to make the rotary stand out in the crowd, not flex feeble egos.
For you info, most of the dyno operators in our area don't have dynos that will read the rotary passed 6600 RPM because they are set for piston engines. I am well aware of the fact that the rotary will rev to 14K plus. And the results presented was accumulative of everything that has been done to the car to date.
For smarty pants who can't figure out how anyone can get a 0-60 reading, how did all the car manufactures secure the initial 0-60 rating. If they can do it so can we don’t you think.
And for those who noticed that removing the cat would result in not being able to pass emissions testing. Keen observers of the obvious. One would think that there are ways to handle the challenge. Funny, since the cat is a bolt in section, and it happens to match the race pipe perfectly, maybe simply putting the cat back in for the emissions test would resolve the challenge, or simple register the car in an area that does not have emissions testing. Perhaps you might consider presuming that if I am going to go to the trouble of buying a relatively expensive car and then go the expense and trouble of removing the cat, I would have covered the basis of the emissions testing issue.
As far as reducing weight on the fly wheel (and pulleys yet to be installed) and gaining delivered hp to the rear wheels. Seems some one forgot that the hp of the engine is used for a lot of other tasks besides simply moving the car down the road. If the car doesn’t not have to use HP to move the fly wheel then it can deceiver more to the wheels. Many of these changes did not actually increase the available hp simply forced the hp to be redirected to the wheels as opposed to moving excess weight, or due to super rich factory tuning to make the cat last longer or hp restraint do to the cat in the system.
One of the dealers is working on building a supercharger kit they hope may deliver an extra 100 to 150hp to the wheels. We will see.
Now, are we all going to work together to make our RX cars the best on the road, or is this just going to be an ego flexing one ups man ship and name calling session. I could simply keep the results of my effort silent and let the rest of you simply flounder and figure in out on you own.
Which will it be. Do we continue sharing, for continue the baby talk of children who have no respect, but simply choose to listen to the chatter of their own feeble opinion.
The Black Knight
Read past 6600? That's quite hard to believe. Are you saying nobody in your area has a piston engine which will rev past 6600? I'd sure not like to have an S2000, C5, MX6, MX5, MSP, etc, in YOUR area. Dyno's don't care what RPM an engine runs to.
And again, a dyno done is 4th gear won't show much of ANY gains, as by the time an engine is in 4th or 5th gear, the benefits of a lighter flywheel have disappeared.
Your 'facts' just don't add up.
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12-20-2004, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by DCSBlack Knight
Is that so? Basted on your attidute, you must be a young pup who needs to learn a manner or two.
The Black Knight.
The Black Knight.
Yes - it's so. I have NOT been rude - I've just been asking for your 'results' to line up with laws of physics. Sorry that offends you.
12-20-2004, 07:23 AM
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Misunderstood!!
I am not looking for anyones money, I am not seeking anyones paise, I wanted only to shate what I did with my 8 so everyone would know the possibilities of the car and let the nay sayres know the RX8 is here to stay.
I don’t need or want to prove anything all wanted to do is share. Seems this forum is not for sharing but for boasting and belittling and puffing of chests of those who say I know everything. If I wanted to make my car the best over everyone, I would not be sharing what I did so other could follow and make their car as good as possible.
I tell you all what. Put you money into the car. Get your track license and tack it out to the race track and see what you can do. Because that is where I am going. As I promised, when I get the new body parts on I will provide before and after of all the changes.
I am tired of dealing with those who offer their opinions. I put the money out. Installed the up grades and put them into application. I did not go on line and talk about it. Then I shared the current results. Those who have taken action and got results to share help everyone, those to sit at home and scoff offer nothing but examples of bad manners and what rude looks like.
For those who sincerely want to learn the results of the experiments in the tuning upgrades so they can know what to expect from their efforts, I will continue to share the results. The rest, well they can enjoy their opinion.
The Black Knight
I don’t need or want to prove anything all wanted to do is share. Seems this forum is not for sharing but for boasting and belittling and puffing of chests of those who say I know everything. If I wanted to make my car the best over everyone, I would not be sharing what I did so other could follow and make their car as good as possible.
I tell you all what. Put you money into the car. Get your track license and tack it out to the race track and see what you can do. Because that is where I am going. As I promised, when I get the new body parts on I will provide before and after of all the changes.
I am tired of dealing with those who offer their opinions. I put the money out. Installed the up grades and put them into application. I did not go on line and talk about it. Then I shared the current results. Those who have taken action and got results to share help everyone, those to sit at home and scoff offer nothing but examples of bad manners and what rude looks like.
For those who sincerely want to learn the results of the experiments in the tuning upgrades so they can know what to expect from their efforts, I will continue to share the results. The rest, well they can enjoy their opinion.
The Black Knight
12-20-2004, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by dmp
Yes - it's so. I have NOT been rude - I've just been asking for your 'results' to line up with laws of physics. Sorry that offends you.
12-20-2004, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by DCSBlack Knight
Re read your original post. Next time simply ask. Your assertion that one is full of b **** is to say the least adolescent and rude. Grow up a little an try a bit of politeness. You will find that you won't be so offensive.
Again - if you are offended because your claims don't make sense, do a better job of aligning your claims with physics. Perhaps you do a poor job of explaining yourself.
When you are old enough to take criticism or skepticism without getting pissed off, you'll do better on forums. Neither are 'rude' - both are what's required in an internet full of guys claiming outlandish results; even if they have the results, the inability to express those results in a way which passes the common sense test will mean nobody buys into what they are saying.
12-20-2004, 07:41 AM
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This forum is but a microcosm of the real world-we are not all always going to get along. From time to time people will post certain things and other people will offer up challenges to the stories we tell. In my early days I was quite willing to step up to the challenges offered by others without getting upset and, as a result, have gained their respect. For DCS to behave as if it is personally disrespectful of him to be doubtful of the stories he offers is to also say that he is the first one to present such stories and we all ought to fall in line and praise him. DCS must realize that he is not the first one to barge in on the scene and claim the numbers he has claimed. When I first appeared on the forum and offered up my stories and results I also encountered scepticism. I then asked myself what my primary motivation was. After that, I found it much easier to bear the burden of scrutiny and have made several new friends in the process.
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12-20-2004, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by dmp
Read past 6600? That's quite hard to believe. Are you saying nobody in your area has a piston engine which will rev past 6600? I'd sure not like to have an S2000, C5, MX6, MX5, MSP, etc, in YOUR area. Dyno's don't care what RPM an engine runs to.
And again, a dyno done is 4th gear won't show much of ANY gains, as by the time an engine is in 4th or 5th gear, the benefits of a lighter flywheel have disappeared.
Your 'facts' just don't add up.
And again, a dyno done is 4th gear won't show much of ANY gains, as by the time an engine is in 4th or 5th gear, the benefits of a lighter flywheel have disappeared.
Your 'facts' just don't add up.
That's it, I have had it with the lot of you. Sorry that the idiots in our area don't have anything set up right to measure the rotary engine. They all shut down at 6600 rpm. Does not matter that we continue to run the car up to red line, 9300 to 9400 depending on cut off. That is the way it is right now. I have been told that it is due in part to the way the computer on the RX8 is set up. Listen. I have no reason to mislead anyone. I am not sharing any of this for your money, not am I getting paid to promote anyone’s product. I am simply sharing my personal experiences with the car. I am not trying to sell anyone anything. So lets knock if off already.
Let me tell you about things that don’t add up. Scientists will tell you that they can prove that the bumble bee cannot fly. The facts just don’t add up. But guess what, the bee fly’s. So why does lighter components allow more hp be to be delivered to the wheels. I don’t know you tell me. In the mean time you don’t want to put in a light weight fly wheel, don’t. It does not matter to me. You don’t want to race your car on the track, don’t. I do. I will do what is can be done to bring out the most the RX8 has too offer. You what to follow in that path welcome aboard. Otherwise what is your point.
12-20-2004, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
This forum is but a microcosm of the real world-we are not all always going to get along. From time to time people will post certain things and other people will offer up challenges to the stories we tell. In my early days I was quite willing to step up to the challenges offered by others without getting upset and, as a result, have gained their respect. For DCS to behave as if it is personally disrespectful of him to be doubtful of the stories he offers is to also say that he is the first one to present such stories and we all ought to fall in line and praise him. DCS must realize that he is not the first one to barge in on the scene and claim the numbers he has claimed. When I first appeared on the forum and offered up my stories and results I also encountered scepticism. I then asked myself what my primary motivation was. After that, I found it much easier to bear the burden of scrutiny and have made several new friends in the process.
Charles
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This is not so called scrutiny. This is not simply asking for additional detail or clarification. This is meanness instead of simply asking what we did to achieve our results. Everyone we have worked with including myself are more that happy to clarify because quite honestly, we don't wish to see anyone outdo the RX8.
So I will ask all of you. Now that you have shown your true colors as a club. Do you really think that you will make friends with meanness, to do you think you will learn by being rude to the ones who simply wished to share the news of personal effort with others.
I am beginning to ask myself, just what kind of people are members of the RX8 club. Maybe you all should look at your selves and ask the same question. I personally choose to not befriend anyone you inquires for additional information or clarification be being rude and mean spirited.
12-20-2004, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by DCSBlack Knight
That's it, I have had it with the lot of you. Sorry that the idiots in our area don't have anything set up right to measure the rotary engine. They all shut down at 6600 rpm. Does not matter that we continue to run the car up to red line, 9300 to 9400 depending on cut off. That is the way it is right now. I have been told that it is due in part to the way the computer on the RX8 is set up. Listen. I have no reason to mislead anyone. I am not sharing any of this for your money, not am I getting paid to promote anyone’s product. I am simply sharing my personal experiences with the car. I am not trying to sell anyone anything. So lets knock if off already.
Let me tell you about things that don’t add up. Scientists will tell you that they can prove that the bumble bee cannot fly.
http://www.flyingturtle.org/askdrg/askdrgalapagos.html
The facts just don’t add up. But guess what, the bee fly’s. So why does lighter components allow more hp be to be delivered to the wheels. I don’t know you tell me. In the mean time you don’t want to put in a light weight fly wheel, don’t. It does not matter to me. You don’t want to race your car on the track, don’t. I do. I will do what is can be done to bring out the most the RX8 has too offer. You what to follow in that path welcome aboard. Otherwise what is your point.
It's quite easy to join a forum and claim one has solved the riddle of power which owners seek. It's quite another thing to actually present those solutions in a manner beyond refute. So far, me, and perhaps others welcome your participation, yet aren't convinced you have the data to back up the claims you make. A few of your claims simply don't pass muster.
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Originally Posted by expo1
Hey Charles,
You might have done this already but did you ever think about posting your upgrades both good and bad in chronological order on a web page so others can see what you did / going to do step by step and the resulting improvements in performance? It doesn’t need to be too detailed. This would be both helpful to us and save you from reposting about upgrades that you have previously posted about. It doesn’t need to be fancy and free web space is not hard to find. I can help if interested.
You might have done this already but did you ever think about posting your upgrades both good and bad in chronological order on a web page so others can see what you did / going to do step by step and the resulting improvements in performance? It doesn’t need to be too detailed. This would be both helpful to us and save you from reposting about upgrades that you have previously posted about. It doesn’t need to be fancy and free web space is not hard to find. I can help if interested.
Ya, I have two finale tests to do on the resent adjstments and I am going to put it all together so that everyone can see what worked and didn't.
I will be gone till just before the new year. Some one just posted an offer to assist in finding a dyno operator who knows how top dyno the rotary in our area. If we can locate such an operator we will finally have numbers right to the top to the RMP run. Wish us luck
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Originally Posted by dmp
...I'd wager the dyno operators in you area are full of poop, or incompetent. Where are you? I bet somebody here would be able to help you find a dyno worth it's salt.
Point of order - nothing violates laws of physics; that's why they are laws.
http://www.flyingturtle.org/askdrg/askdrgalapagos.html
I do want to do those things - and I have done those things. But when I post the results I'll expect people to force me to make sense. Show us what your RX8 offers, but show us in a way we'll understand. Use data, not 'claims'. My point is this:
It's quite easy to join a forum and claim one has solved the riddle of power which owners seek. It's quite another thing to actually present those solutions in a manner beyond refute. So far, me, and perhaps others welcome your participation, yet aren't convinced you have the data to back up the claims you make. A few of your claims simply don't pass muster.
Point of order - nothing violates laws of physics; that's why they are laws.
http://www.flyingturtle.org/askdrg/askdrgalapagos.html
I do want to do those things - and I have done those things. But when I post the results I'll expect people to force me to make sense. Show us what your RX8 offers, but show us in a way we'll understand. Use data, not 'claims'. My point is this:
It's quite easy to join a forum and claim one has solved the riddle of power which owners seek. It's quite another thing to actually present those solutions in a manner beyond refute. So far, me, and perhaps others welcome your participation, yet aren't convinced you have the data to back up the claims you make. A few of your claims simply don't pass muster.
Other than you opinion, none of your claims mean a thing at this point. I am not attempting to seek yours or anyone else’s approval. I am simply sharing what has been does so far and the results. You belief is not required. Since you have yet to invest or experiment on your own car, how about cooling it with your theories and simply ask for what you would like rather that assume you know anything. All you are doing is stating what you think should be happening while I am sharing the practical application of what has occurred.
I am going ask you to simply to put your last comment aside and ask if you can follow up on your offer of a dyno operator in the Western Washington area you know of that knows how to dyno an RX-8 correctly all the way to the redline cutout. If everyone would help rather than being snide, we can come up with a way to make the RX8s in general unbeatable. I have the car, the resources and the will to experiment. So if you can’t experiment yourself, help me, and stop the, I think session, and lets start helping each other. So how about the dyno issue. Got any suggestions.
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12-20-2004, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by dmp
Again - if you are offended because your claims don't make sense, do a better job of aligning your claims with physics. Perhaps you do a poor job of explaining yourself.
When you are old enough to take criticism or skepticism without getting pissed off, you'll do better on forums. Neither are 'rude' - both are what's required in an internet full of guys claiming outlandish results; even if they have the results, the inability to express those results in a way which passes the common sense test will mean nobody buys into what they are saying.
When you are old enough to take criticism or skepticism without getting pissed off, you'll do better on forums. Neither are 'rude' - both are what's required in an internet full of guys claiming outlandish results; even if they have the results, the inability to express those results in a way which passes the common sense test will mean nobody buys into what they are saying.
Well, what have you done with your car that makes you such the expert sir?
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DCS, your claim that no dyno operator in the area can handle anything past 6600 rpm is difficult to swallow. My Probe revved to 7k and the dyno operator could handle it no sweat. Better than the car did as a matter of fact.
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Originally Posted by DCSBlack Knight
Other than you opinion, none of your claims mean a thing at this point. I am not attempting to seek yours or anyone else’s approval. I am simply sharing what has been does so far and the results. You belief is not required. Since you have yet to invest or experiment on your own car, how about cooling it with your theories and simply ask for what you would like rather that assume you know anything. All you are doing is stating what you think should be happening while I am sharing the practical application of what has occurred.
I'm questioning the claims you are making because they don't add up to me. The claims don't add up to a few of us here. We'd LOVE to believe you have the magic solution to HP woes. But like anything we read on the internet; data convinces us...claims without supporting story/data/etc, do not.
I am going ask you to simply to put your last comment aside and ask if you can follow up on your offer of a dyno operator in the Western Washington area you know of that knows how to dyno an RX-8 correctly all the way to the redline cutout. If everyone would help rather than being snide, we can come up with a way to make the RX8s in general unbeatable. I have the car, the resources and the will to experiment. So if you can’t experiment yourself, help me, and stop the, I think session, and lets start helping each other. So how about the dyno issue. Got any suggestions.
Yes - if you live in central Puget Sound area, contact Turbotechnologyinc.com -in Tacoma; they built a turbo system for my previous car, and every pull we ran the car to 7000 rpms. Carb Connection in Kirkland, too, if you live further north. Get ahold of my friend Ben at Corksport - he's dyno'd his MSProtege frequently in/near Portland; if you live further south.
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Originally Posted by dmp
See? I haven't made any claims. I have no theories. A few of us are asking before believing 'your' theories/results, you back them up with logical evidence. Simple as that.
I'm questioning the claims you are making because they don't add up to me. The claims don't add up to a few of us here. We'd LOVE to believe you have the magic solution to HP woes. But like anything we read on the internet; data convinces us...claims without supporting story/data/etc, do not.
Yes - if you live in central Puget Sound area, contact Turbotechnologyinc.com -in Tacoma; they built a turbo system for my previous car, and every pull we ran the car to 7000 rpms. Carb Connection in Kirkland, too, if you live further north. Get ahold of my friend Ben at Corksport - he's dyno'd his MSProtege frequently in/near Portland; if you live further south.
I'm questioning the claims you are making because they don't add up to me. The claims don't add up to a few of us here. We'd LOVE to believe you have the magic solution to HP woes. But like anything we read on the internet; data convinces us...claims without supporting story/data/etc, do not.
Yes - if you live in central Puget Sound area, contact Turbotechnologyinc.com -in Tacoma; they built a turbo system for my previous car, and every pull we ran the car to 7000 rpms. Carb Connection in Kirkland, too, if you live further north. Get ahold of my friend Ben at Corksport - he's dyno'd his MSProtege frequently in/near Portland; if you live further south.
Great,
Thanks, I will contact all of them and go to the one that has the ability to dyno all the way to the end.
I will post the results. I have some RX-8 Friends here in the area. We all have the same complaint with the dyno operators here. Due to that fact, we try to get together after we get upgrades done to compare car to car since we can never get a full red line run on the dynos. So if they do the trick for us we thank you very much.
I will keep you posted