What is the difference between the AT & MT once computer is reprogrammed
09-26-2007, 12:27 PM
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09-26-2007, 12:30 PM
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do some researched man, I can't say I have done alot to try to get as much out of my AT as possible, and I have tried some wierd **** on my car (that no one else in their right mind would even do) and I came up to the conclusion that, from looking at the tranny, there is no possible way to make the AT as good as the MT, not unless you do custom fabrication and try putting a european AT tranny into it.....
09-26-2007, 12:31 PM
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I do not agree with some of them.
Lets say same mod to both 6 AT and 6 MT, MT will still win in the end, you lose more power (drivetrain) in AT than MT. its not alot I know, but its still there to notice a different
and our AT (6 or 4) was not designed with such power. sure it will work for a while. but how long can it stand ? who knows.
Not like MT tranny are much stronger IMO, but its a better choice for performance (this car)
Like in my other post, I said if its me, and I know I want ultimate performance, I will trade the AT in for MT, Cuz AT will get even more problems down the road, way more than MT. At the end you will feel sorry you didnt trade it in first before you start the mod.
So to OP : Please listen to what Team said
Lets say same mod to both 6 AT and 6 MT, MT will still win in the end, you lose more power (drivetrain) in AT than MT. its not alot I know, but its still there to notice a different
and our AT (6 or 4) was not designed with such power. sure it will work for a while. but how long can it stand ? who knows.
Not like MT tranny are much stronger IMO, but its a better choice for performance (this car)
Like in my other post, I said if its me, and I know I want ultimate performance, I will trade the AT in for MT, Cuz AT will get even more problems down the road, way more than MT. At the end you will feel sorry you didnt trade it in first before you start the mod.
So to OP : Please listen to what Team said
I would never argue with mysq101 especally since our differences are few and both agree that enhansments are needed. I would have said 300hp (as I think in engine hp) if you had quoted me. Reinforcing a tranny and upgrading the internals are two separte things.
10-03-2007, 10:06 AM
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I made that point because these aftermarket parts you speak about are things that are not easily attainable "off the shelf". They would need to be custom created by a trans shop with the knowledge and capabilities. If we were talking about an f-body car it would be a completely different story.
10-03-2007, 10:30 AM
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wow back from the grave 
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the 2 stuff I have done with my tranny as off the moment is to put in a new flex plate and change the clutch pack, I am trying to buy an AT tranny from the junkyard JUST to open it up and see since my car is a daily driver and I can't afford to let her sit there (which means me no car)
our stock flexplate is weak is all I can say, mabe because I abuse it but mine is fucked up, so I bought a new one from mazdatrix to put it in, I think their's is stock also cus I dont see a difference, but at least my car is running better (smoother rev) just like new
,the 2 stuff I have done with my tranny as off the moment is to put in a new flex plate and change the clutch pack, I am trying to buy an AT tranny from the junkyard JUST to open it up and see since my car is a daily driver and I can't afford to let her sit there (which means me no car)
our stock flexplate is weak is all I can say, mabe because I abuse it but mine is fucked up, so I bought a new one from mazdatrix to put it in, I think their's is stock also cus I dont see a difference, but at least my car is running better (smoother rev) just like new
10-03-2007, 11:37 AM
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Back from the grave? It was only gone a week.
Mod for mod and a/t will never be as fast as an m/t. Pure and simple. Even though the 2 engines are now the same, the a/t with it's lower redline can't make the total power. That's disadvantage #1.
The other problem is that we are comparing an auto auto a manual. An auto will always rob more power than a manual will. Put those 2 issues together and you get an a/t that can not be as fast as an m/t.
Yes you can turbo or supercharge it to go faster. Go for it. It'll be fine.
Mod for mod and a/t will never be as fast as an m/t. Pure and simple. Even though the 2 engines are now the same, the a/t with it's lower redline can't make the total power. That's disadvantage #1.
The other problem is that we are comparing an auto auto a manual. An auto will always rob more power than a manual will. Put those 2 issues together and you get an a/t that can not be as fast as an m/t.
Yes you can turbo or supercharge it to go faster. Go for it. It'll be fine.
10-08-2007, 08:29 AM
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My thoughts are if you custom computer tune. (no redline etc...)
and Turbocharge an AT and a MT would be very close in 1/4mile but MT would win in a 60FT or a road race.....
True hardcore drag racers are all automatic... I think an AT eith its guts worked over and using a low friction oil such as royal purple can reduce the power loss in tranny enough to allow quick thighter & less slompy shifts of the AT as compared to the MT. This in turn will allow AT to win out 1/4mile....
besides with computer redone to custom spec... you can use paddles shifters to run up the RPM as high as u want....
and Turbocharge an AT and a MT would be very close in 1/4mile but MT would win in a 60FT or a road race.....
True hardcore drag racers are all automatic... I think an AT eith its guts worked over and using a low friction oil such as royal purple can reduce the power loss in tranny enough to allow quick thighter & less slompy shifts of the AT as compared to the MT. This in turn will allow AT to win out 1/4mile....
besides with computer redone to custom spec... you can use paddles shifters to run up the RPM as high as u want....
10-08-2007, 08:45 AM
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My thoughts are if you custom computer tune. (no redline etc...)
and Turbocharge an AT and a MT would be very close in 1/4mile but MT would win in a 60FT or a road race.....
True hardcore drag racers are all automatic... I think an AT eith its guts worked over and using a low friction oil such as royal purple can reduce the power loss in tranny enough to allow quick thighter & less slompy shifts of the AT as compared to the MT. This in turn will allow AT to win out 1/4mile....
besides with computer redone to custom spec... you can use paddles shifters to run up the RPM as high as u want....
and Turbocharge an AT and a MT would be very close in 1/4mile but MT would win in a 60FT or a road race.....
True hardcore drag racers are all automatic... I think an AT eith its guts worked over and using a low friction oil such as royal purple can reduce the power loss in tranny enough to allow quick thighter & less slompy shifts of the AT as compared to the MT. This in turn will allow AT to win out 1/4mile....
besides with computer redone to custom spec... you can use paddles shifters to run up the RPM as high as u want....
10-08-2007, 12:43 PM
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I agree... street the MT will be superior....
the AT's used in top fuel drag racing are not streetable drag race trannys...
although the auto tranny's used on mustangs in street eliminator and other high performance classes.... are very streetable...
The MT my favorite but im looking at an AT due to a brand new (never owned) 06 Shinka on a dealer lot near my house. It has 183miles on it... and Im trying to negoiate the deal of a century...
...but the AT can be safely equiped with an autostarter which i like....
the AT's used in top fuel drag racing are not streetable drag race trannys...
although the auto tranny's used on mustangs in street eliminator and other high performance classes.... are very streetable...
The MT my favorite but im looking at an AT due to a brand new (never owned) 06 Shinka on a dealer lot near my house. It has 183miles on it... and Im trying to negoiate the deal of a century...
...but the AT can be safely equiped with an autostarter which i like....
10-09-2007, 10:36 AM
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Shinkas are nice. i have an 06 MT. love it. the light sand leather seats are heated if need be. the suspention is a little stiffer than the other models. i even think it has more power then the normal GT model. i have races one on a few occations and beet him.. granted that may have been driver but you never know. when you hear both engines reving out and pulling. i can pull a little faster then he can.
My car tops out at 154. i don't kow about the others.
i used to have a 2nd gen rx7 in AT and it was just fine. as a daily driver i loved it. you want to take it to a track, get a MT. with no guts inside. no seats. none of that sh*t.
the autos should redline same as MT if you drive it like a MT with a reflashed ECU.
i know i like the shinka ALOT better then all the other models.
just out of thought. what is the price your looking at? i got mine with 6Kmiles for 17,000 otd.
all in all it's up to YOU on what you should get or not. how you will be driving it, where you will be driving it. etc. etc. what color is the one your looking at?
good luck.
HR.
My car tops out at 154. i don't kow about the others.
i used to have a 2nd gen rx7 in AT and it was just fine. as a daily driver i loved it. you want to take it to a track, get a MT. with no guts inside. no seats. none of that sh*t.
the autos should redline same as MT if you drive it like a MT with a reflashed ECU.
i know i like the shinka ALOT better then all the other models.
just out of thought. what is the price your looking at? i got mine with 6Kmiles for 17,000 otd.
all in all it's up to YOU on what you should get or not. how you will be driving it, where you will be driving it. etc. etc. what color is the one your looking at?
good luck.
HR.
10-09-2007, 10:56 AM
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yea, I just realized that the shinka ATs don't have a speed limiter, not only that ,I think they are more high powered than our normal ATs, no joke cus I've ridden 1 at the dealer, which begs the question= will the 40th annaversary be the same?
which also begs the question, will you let me borrow your ecu?
which also begs the question, will you let me borrow your ecu?
10-10-2007, 06:31 AM
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Read the specs. The Shinka is exactly the same specifications as a normal 8 only with different colors and leather in different colors (all 8s are available with heated seats, it's an option). Now there may have been a handling package that I am not aware of but motors and trans are exactly the same as any other comparable year. I keep hearing about this speed limiter, what speed limiter. I have one of the early 04 models and was stuck with every bad thing that Mazda had in it's bag of tricks and have never had a speed limiter or governor. Are you sure your not thinking about a shift limiter?
10-10-2007, 10:12 AM
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phil, when your car was stock, didn't you have fuel cut off at 125?
i know my car does in 5th and 6thgear............but his AT shinka doesn't, so thats what I'm talking about
i know my car does in 5th and 6thgear............but his AT shinka doesn't, so thats what I'm talking about
10-10-2007, 10:29 AM
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Read the specs. The Shinka is exactly the same specifications as a normal 8 only with different colors and leather in different colors (all 8s are available with heated seats, it's an option). Now there may have been a handling package that I am not aware of but motors and trans are exactly the same as any other comparable year. I keep hearing about this speed limiter, what speed limiter. I have one of the early 04 models and was stuck with every bad thing that Mazda had in it's bag of tricks and have never had a speed limiter or governor. Are you sure your not thinking about a shift limiter?
and parts of the body has been reinforced (Its shown in Japanese's documents)
10-10-2007, 10:57 AM
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Yea, now that ntcaps mentions it there was something added to keep noise down I think but nothing to the engine or trans.
10-10-2007, 02:48 PM
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I thought you missed SSX. If you were there why did you not come up and say something. White is a reliative word - white is the color of a normal sheet of paper. I am not white. I am closer to a very lite brown. Now don't you lie to me - with all the banter back and forth you would have said something or at least thrown something at me.
10-10-2007, 07:54 PM
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dude.........wtf I was the azn guy talking to Ray about the nitrous install, how can I possibly miss SSX when I've been spamming this forum like **** @.@
and I knew who MM was (thanks to the millions of videos on his website etc etc)
I saw your car, I was the one that was joking around trying to yank the pettit supercharger out of your car
was walking with john(before he decided to sleep(se3p)) and eddie( he went to sleep too (apocalypse8)) and yup, I went to paradox booth at least 3-4 times @.@ mostly cus hymee was across from u guys lol oh and dont forget that non-existant radiator I was hoping to see..........god damn bastards didn't over night it (according to Ray)
and I knew who MM was (thanks to the millions of videos on his website etc etc)
I saw your car, I was the one that was joking around trying to yank the pettit supercharger out of your car
was walking with john(before he decided to sleep(se3p)) and eddie( he went to sleep too (apocalypse8)) and yup, I went to paradox booth at least 3-4 times @.@ mostly cus hymee was across from u guys lol oh and dont forget that non-existant radiator I was hoping to see..........god damn bastards didn't over night it (according to Ray)