All right!!!!

Just did this (Omnicron's method) and it took me no more than 15 minutes!!!!

Hooray - It has always bothered me that my 8's headlights had to be on for the fogs to work......wonder why its this way in the first place. Every other car/truck I've owned, the fogs have been independent.

Anyways, THANKS for the investigation and quick instructions!

 

Before I go and mess around with this I have one question: are the fog lights, when used independantly, bright enough to work well in actually foggy conditions? I feel like most aftermarket fog lights are somewhat brighter than these. I don't want to rewire everything to find out that the lone fog lights arent actually useful.

Other than that, this sounds like a sweet and easy mod, and I will get on it as soon as I hear some good reports....

 

I replaced my stock fog light bulbs with some 5600K H11 piaa bulbs. They are alot brighter than stock and work alot better. Here is some pics of my fog light conversion.. Notice the rotary crest standing out..... Look in the DIY forum for instructions on how to do that yourself. Its cheap and easy...... L8Ter Jason

 

Thanks everyone! I put female connectors on the original brown, the red/white, the black/red and the (white/black) ignition so I could try all three options suggested. Two of them work identically (I think the red/white and red/black)

 

Add me as well. I did Omnicron's version. The hardest part was..........wait, there was no hard part.

 

I did it via Maniac's way. I rather like the stock feeling that the fogs come on/off only with the parking lights engaged. I tried Omicron too but IMO what purpose I would need foglights-only lighting? Anyway, I would like to thank all of you guys for giving the rest of us different options on this.

 

Foglights only make nice daytime running light equivilents. I use mine mostly when it's dark/cruddy enough out that I want my car to be more visible to other drivers without turning on my headlights, as well as when we have a group drive for our club meets. Makes it easy to pick out the car.

 

I just bought a set of fog lights from a member for my base model
Can I get some help on how to wire them?

 

A bit off topic, so any links to related discussions would be appreciated. Anyway, can anyone outline how one might install the stock fog lamps on an aftermarket bumper, like the Knight Sports? What would be the challenges and ways to overcome them? Would using aftermarket lamps and mountings make the job any easier or produce better (i.e., brighter) results? Would the results be legal? Thanks!

 

Has anyone had any warranty issues? I am just a little nervous as this is my first car ever with a warranty :-)

Thanks!

 

warranty becomes an issue only if the specific mod caused problem related to the modification you performed, meaning the dealer cannot just blanket void your whole car warranty for doing the wiring switchover, i.e. they cannot deny warranty for engine related problems because of rewiring your foglights (that's stupid and also against the law). Now, if your foglights burnout prematurely then the dealer can deny warranty bulb replacement due to this fact.

Some unscrupulous dealers may try to f*ck with you by telling you otherwise, don't be intimidated because you're protected by law on this.

 

Omicron, does your mod allow for all 4 sets of lights to be lit at the same time? (DRL, low beam, high beam, and fog)

 

I am not Omicron, but yes it does. If you tie the brown wire FROM the FOG relay to the small red/white wire FROM the ACC relay then the fogs will come on any time the key is turned to acc or run (as long as the fog light switch on the stalk is on). It is now totally independant of the headlights. So you can have the fogs on with no lights, with the parking lights (and the "DRLs"), with the low beams, and with the high beams.

Thanks to everyone for posting the info and the pix! I did mine the "Omicron way". I could not understand why the fogs only come on with the HID low beams - now I can control them how I want.

Dennis

 

I am also not Omicron, but I play him on television.

No, you don't get to have 4 sets of lights on, because the Hi beams and the DRLs are the same bulbs.

Also, the DRLs throw a screw into the wiring, if you have a DRL system, the fog power goes thru the DRL relay, so they won't come on with he DRLs. Canadian cars would need to have a bypass around this DRL relay.

NOTE FOR CANADIAN CARS.....
To bypass the DRL module (behind the glovebox) you need to disconnect the 'fog in'(light green&black) and 'fog out'(yellow&red) at the big DRL connector, and join them together ( best way is to use a tiny screwdriver to poke the terminals back out of the block - no cutting required.). They are side by side at the lower left of the connector.
Also, the 'brown' wire on US cars is 'brown&white' striped for DRL models, but it IS the same wire as in the Omicron instructions.


S

 

On my (US) car the inner little lights I ASSUME are DRLs (for Canadian cars) come on with the parking lights and seem to stay on with any other lights. With the fog light mode on my car with high beams on I THINK it has the little lights, highs, HIDs, and fogs all on.

Dennis

 

the daytime running lights (DRL) are seperate bulbs from the high beam bulbs on the '05

the parking lights are also your daytimes, arent they? then you got your high beams and low beams and fogs (as seen below in the picture)

i could be wrong, but thats what i thought i saw at the dealership...

 

The beauty of this mod is that once the fuse block is back in place, it is totally invisible. Also, the only way the dealer will discover it is to remove the fuse panel, which isn't likely.

 

Using "my" method they operate as DRL equivilents in that they are on whenever the ignition switch is in the "run" position if the fog light switch is on. They come on independantly of where the headlight switch is as soon as you turn the car on.

 

LOL!!! :D

 

so basically.... yes

 

Yup.

 

tonight i saw a black 8 with this mod. although the #$^%$& didnt turn off his high beams while driving towards me

 

Has anyone figured out a way to do this mod so that the fog lights DON'T work when the high beams are on? I want mine to work with parking lights and low beams, but not with my high beams and not as DRL's.

Thanks guys!

 

Other than using the fog light switch on the turn signal stalk? I don't think so.

You could wire them to the "tail" relay as is described here but insert a new relay between the brown wire and the tail relay. You need a relay that is normally (without power) closed and insert the controlled points in between the brown wire and the tail relay. Check and the fogs should work any time the tail lights are on (parking/low/high). Now conect the coil of the relay to the high beam relay and ground. Now when you flip on the high beams the relay will pick and the fogs will go off.

Can you do it without adding a relay? Yes, if there was a circuit that had 12v on it when the parking and low beams were on, but not when the high beams and no lights were on. And I can't think of what circuit that might be.

BTW, I think by law there is supposed to be a maximum of 4 "headlights" in use at one time. So "in theory" an 8 owner could be given a ticket for driving with 6 "headlights" on if they do the fog light mod.

Dennis

 

i did this mod, cause i like to use my fogs when I want, not just when my headlights are on. one thing it brought up in my mind, it made me notice that when I turn on my highbeams, even with all other lights off, the HID low beams come on........now at night, when im crusing with my low beams on, then flip on the highs its nice, i can see everything near and far but... when i am drivng around with my low beams OFF, and want to 'flash-to pass' my high beams, the HID low beams turn on.....my habit of flash to pass 3 short bursts of the high beams, this means I flash the HIDs 3 times as well, from what I have heard its bad to turn your HIDs on and off, in any car.

i tried to search for it, with no luck.

does anyone know how to wire it so the high beams will work with just the stalk, basicaly the same thing we did with the fogs?

the fog (with this mod) come on whenever you use the fog switch, i want to do the same thing with the high beams.