DIY: Fog Light Rewire
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All right!!!!
Just did this (Omnicron's method) and it took me no more than 15 minutes!!!!
Hooray - It has always bothered me that my 8's headlights had to be on for the fogs to work......wonder why its this way in the first place. Every other car/truck I've owned, the fogs have been independent.
Anyways, THANKS for the investigation and quick instructions!
Just did this (Omnicron's method) and it took me no more than 15 minutes!!!!
Hooray - It has always bothered me that my 8's headlights had to be on for the fogs to work......wonder why its this way in the first place. Every other car/truck I've owned, the fogs have been independent.
Anyways, THANKS for the investigation and quick instructions!
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Before I go and mess around with this I have one question: are the fog lights, when used independantly, bright enough to work well in actually foggy conditions? I feel like most aftermarket fog lights are somewhat brighter than these. I don't want to rewire everything to find out that the lone fog lights arent actually useful.
Other than that, this sounds like a sweet and easy mod, and I will get on it as soon as I hear some good reports....
Other than that, this sounds like a sweet and easy mod, and I will get on it as soon as I hear some good reports....
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I replaced my stock fog light bulbs with some 5600K H11 piaa bulbs. They are alot brighter than stock and work alot better. Here is some pics of my fog light conversion.. Notice the rotary crest standing out..... Look in the DIY forum for instructions on how to do that yourself. Its cheap and easy...... L8Ter Jason
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Thanks everyone! I put female connectors on the original brown, the red/white, the black/red and the (white/black) ignition so I could try all three options suggested. Two of them work identically (I think the red/white and red/black)
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I did it via Maniac's way. I rather like the stock feeling that the fogs come on/off only with the parking lights engaged. I tried Omicron too but IMO what purpose I would need foglights-only lighting? Anyway, I would like to thank all of you guys for giving the rest of us different options on this.
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Originally Posted by wedge357
I did it via Maniac's way. I rather like the stock feeling that the fogs come on/off only with the parking lights engaged. I tried Omicron too but IMO what purpose I would need foglights-only lighting? Anyway, I would like to thank all of you guys for giving the rest of us different options on this.
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A bit off topic, so any links to related discussions would be appreciated. Anyway, can anyone outline how one might install the stock fog lamps on an aftermarket bumper, like the Knight Sports? What would be the challenges and ways to overcome them? Would using aftermarket lamps and mountings make the job any easier or produce better (i.e., brighter) results? Would the results be legal? Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Zuhalter Vati
Has anyone had any warranty issues? I am just a little nervous as this is my first car ever with a warranty :-)
Thanks!
Thanks!
Some unscrupulous dealers may try to f*ck with you by telling you otherwise, don't be intimidated because you're protected by law on this.
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Originally Posted by Frostee
Omicron, does your mod allow for all 4 sets of lights to be lit at the same time? (DRL, low beam, high beam, and fog)
Thanks to everyone for posting the info and the pix! I did mine the "Omicron way". I could not understand why the fogs only come on with the HID low beams - now I can control them how I want.
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I am also not Omicron, but I play him on television.
No, you don't get to have 4 sets of lights on, because the Hi beams and the DRLs are the same bulbs.
Also, the DRLs throw a screw into the wiring, if you have a DRL system, the fog power goes thru the DRL relay, so they won't come on with he DRLs. Canadian cars would need to have a bypass around this DRL relay.
NOTE FOR CANADIAN CARS.....
To bypass the DRL module (behind the glovebox) you need to disconnect the 'fog in'(light green&black) and 'fog out'(yellow&red) at the big DRL connector, and join them together ( best way is to use a tiny screwdriver to poke the terminals back out of the block - no cutting required.). They are side by side at the lower left of the connector.
Also, the 'brown' wire on US cars is 'brown&white' striped for DRL models, but it IS the same wire as in the Omicron instructions.
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No, you don't get to have 4 sets of lights on, because the Hi beams and the DRLs are the same bulbs.
Also, the DRLs throw a screw into the wiring, if you have a DRL system, the fog power goes thru the DRL relay, so they won't come on with he DRLs. Canadian cars would need to have a bypass around this DRL relay.
NOTE FOR CANADIAN CARS.....
To bypass the DRL module (behind the glovebox) you need to disconnect the 'fog in'(light green&black) and 'fog out'(yellow&red) at the big DRL connector, and join them together ( best way is to use a tiny screwdriver to poke the terminals back out of the block - no cutting required.). They are side by side at the lower left of the connector.
Also, the 'brown' wire on US cars is 'brown&white' striped for DRL models, but it IS the same wire as in the Omicron instructions.
S
Last edited by StealthTL; 05-23-2008 at 11:40 AM. Reason: (Added Canuk differences.)
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On my (US) car the inner little lights I ASSUME are DRLs (for Canadian cars) come on with the parking lights and seem to stay on with any other lights. With the fog light mode on my car with high beams on I THINK it has the little lights, highs, HIDs, and fogs all on.
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Originally Posted by StealthTL
I am also not Omicron, but I play him on television.
No, you don't get to have 4 sets of lights on, because the Hi beams and the DRLs are the same bulbs.
Also, the DRLs throw a screw into the wiring, if you have a DRL system, the fog power goes thru the DRL relay, so they won't come on with he DRLs. Canadian cars would need to have a bypass around this DRL relay.
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No, you don't get to have 4 sets of lights on, because the Hi beams and the DRLs are the same bulbs.
Also, the DRLs throw a screw into the wiring, if you have a DRL system, the fog power goes thru the DRL relay, so they won't come on with he DRLs. Canadian cars would need to have a bypass around this DRL relay.
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the daytime running lights (DRL) are seperate bulbs from the high beam bulbs on the '05
the parking lights are also your daytimes, arent they? then you got your high beams and low beams and fogs (as seen below in the picture)
i could be wrong, but thats what i thought i saw at the dealership...
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Originally Posted by wedge357
warranty becomes an issue only if the specific mod caused problem related to the modification you performed, meaning the dealer cannot just blanket void your whole car warranty for doing the wiring switchover, i.e. they cannot deny warranty for engine related problems because of rewiring your foglights (that's stupid and also against the law). Now, if your foglights burnout prematurely then the dealer can deny warranty bulb replacement due to this fact.
Some unscrupulous dealers may try to f*ck with you by telling you otherwise, don't be intimidated because you're protected by law on this.
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Originally Posted by Frostee
Omicron, does your mod allow for all 4 sets of lights to be lit at the same time? (DRL, low beam, high beam, and fog)
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Originally Posted by Omicron
Using "my" method they operate as DRL equivilents in that they are on whenever the ignition switch is in the "run" position if the fog light switch is on. They come on independantly of where the headlight switch is as soon as you turn the car on.
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Originally Posted by bobclevenger
Yes, this mod defeats the "off when high beams are on" feature. This was the main point of the mod. If you put a connector on the brown wire that supplies power to the fog light relay as I did (see photos in earlier post on this thread) you can return the fog lights to stock any time you want.
If you want to have the fog lights come on with the ignition (like DRL's) but go off when you switch the main (high) beam headlights on, I think you would need to install another relay.
If you want to have the fog lights come on with the ignition (like DRL's) but go off when you switch the main (high) beam headlights on, I think you would need to install another relay.
Has anyone figured out a way to do this mod so that the fog lights DON'T work when the high beams are on? I want mine to work with parking lights and low beams, but not with my high beams and not as DRL's.
Thanks guys!
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Originally Posted by ALWAZL8
Has anyone figured out a way to do this mod so that the fog lights DON'T work when the high beams are on? I want mine to work with parking lights and low beams, but not with my high beams and not as DRL's.
Thanks guys!
Thanks guys!
You could wire them to the "tail" relay as is described here but insert a new relay between the brown wire and the tail relay. You need a relay that is normally (without power) closed and insert the controlled points in between the brown wire and the tail relay. Check and the fogs should work any time the tail lights are on (parking/low/high). Now conect the coil of the relay to the high beam relay and ground. Now when you flip on the high beams the relay will pick and the fogs will go off.
Can you do it without adding a relay? Yes, if there was a circuit that had 12v on it when the parking and low beams were on, but not when the high beams and no lights were on. And I can't think of what circuit that might be.
BTW, I think by law there is supposed to be a maximum of 4 "headlights" in use at one time. So "in theory" an 8 owner could be given a ticket for driving with 6 "headlights" on if they do the fog light mod.
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i did this mod, cause i like to use my fogs when I want, not just when my headlights are on. one thing it brought up in my mind, it made me notice that when I turn on my highbeams, even with all other lights off, the HID low beams come on........now at night, when im crusing with my low beams on, then flip on the highs its nice, i can see everything near and far but... when i am drivng around with my low beams OFF, and want to 'flash-to pass' my high beams, the HID low beams turn on.....my habit of flash to pass 3 short bursts of the high beams, this means I flash the HIDs 3 times as well, from what I have heard its bad to turn your HIDs on and off, in any car.
i tried to search for it, with no luck.
does anyone know how to wire it so the high beams will work with just the stalk, basicaly the same thing we did with the fogs?
the fog (with this mod) come on whenever you use the fog switch, i want to do the same thing with the high beams.
i tried to search for it, with no luck.
does anyone know how to wire it so the high beams will work with just the stalk, basicaly the same thing we did with the fogs?
the fog (with this mod) come on whenever you use the fog switch, i want to do the same thing with the high beams.