Steakboy42

Yeah, I just turn the key and it starts, but if i were to just hook up the power and ground wires, it would just be a pretty light. The third wire would have to hook up to the starter some way. My guess would be through the ignition wiring. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

-Steakboy42

BoosTED

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That's right Steakboy.

Have you gotten the kit?

It should have instructions on what needs to be hooked up.

I haven't done this because I am going to install a Compustar 2-way Remote start and alarm. I have installed at least 15 remote starts and it is very similar to setting up the push button start. Except I will have the push button on me.

The push button start has a decent kewl factor.

I like the one in the cigarette lighter spot. Very double O-7.

Steakboy42

Haven't gotten the kit yet, still looking for the right one. I'm actually still deciding if I'm gunna do it. I think I will, at least eventually. I'll update after I do it.

-The Steak

Raynosx8

How much did the switch cost? I've been looking all over the internet for it. Cant find anyone that sells it!

zenmoused

I'm a little confused.. does this mean that you guys have found a way to push-button start without a key being present?

moRotorMotor

No.

zenmoused

Thanks- I didn't feel like reading through all the postings over again. Unfortunately to me this seems like a giant waste aside from the "neat-o" factor. It seems, work and parts aside, that you have to do more work to use the button than just to turn a key.

Cosi

graveyard digging...

well, i've driven the family's S class. you indeed carry a card, when you press (not touch) a small button on the door handle, the car locks. in order to open the door, you gently pull the handle out, and the door will unlock itself within 1 second. (if you pull too fast, it has no time to unlock, and you have to do it again a bit slower)

however, on to the ignition. on the shifter (automatic in the S i talk about) there is a button (doesn't look like one), which is looking like the top of a normal shifter. if you have the card on you, you need not have a key. you press it once fast, it switches to "on" position. you press it for 1-2 seconds, the engine starts and you're ready to go. you have to press the break pedal for it to work, though, otherwise it won't start at all.

i had a.... "dream" :P of copying that ideea, like prying the top of our shifter free, place the ignition button underneath, and make the wiring go down along the shifter like the wires of the illuminated **** some of us have. quite a stealthy location, i'd say, since there is really no button visible around. not to mention, i always love the "fighter aircraft" feel when i start the S class and the huge V comes to life.. i'd love for a couple rotors to come to life in a similar manner.

the problem i couldn't figgure would be a keyless card. i would really, really dislike to have my car wired up for ignition anytime. perhaps there is an opportunity to disable the contact when you arm the alarm? (alarm armed, no current gets to igntion-> would be similar to no key inserted->usless button, even if you know it)

just a couple thoughts thrown over an old thread


p.s.- there is also a key location in the S, which is used if you don't want to press the button. works like a conventional key, although it's completely electronic. but it really doesn't feel that great :P

mclaren slr has a simialr aproach, the diference being that the top of the shifter is even more like a fighter's missle laungher. you have to flip a security "top" up to reveal a clear button underneath.
frankly, i'd rather have the stealthy look of the S class anyday.

WantedTwo

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sounds like you need to drive the "S" and stop dreaming.

Cosi

i hate the S, frankly. it's too dead of a car. no feelings. steering's too light. car's too heavy. i'd sell the S and buy 2 8s and turbocharge one of them, and have much more fun, and also have some spare cash too. but i can't.. family also involved members with different feelings towards drving and feeling the road at the same time :P aaah, well... i have a spare lit shiftknob..... might as well destroy that one in pursuing my dreams... there should be a way they placed the leds there, no?

StealthTL

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Not a problem to do the shifter button mod, they're sold on the 'Bay.

A little ugly, but do-able. (Like myself. )


S

Cosi

ewww!!! reminds me of german WW2 grenades...

S-AIR

Hi guys, I am trying to do the start button on my auto, can u please help me with the wiring and also where i can get the button....or kits?

SureShot

Here's an overlooked advantage, if you connect it past the clutch interlock.

If you have a 6-speed and are stalled or out of gas in harm's way.
You can stick it in gear & crank your way a few feet out of the hazard.

Robowreck

I'm still semi-confused as to what this would mean if you have to bypass the clutch to start the 6 speeds. Does that mean the car needs to be in neutral before you push the start button so it doesn't die in gear? Or would you have to have your foot on the brake while in first gear to start it so it doesn't lurch forward? Sorry I've just never heard of bypassing the clutch switch so i'm confused

l008com

You have to press the clutch to crank the motor, even if its in neutral. So you'd have to press the clutch to push the button, or bypass that element and make sure you always check your shifter position before you push the button, because the one time you forget to check..... ouch.

Robowreck

lol I knew it couldn't just be as simple as bypassing the clutch and start like an automatic lol Now the debate is.....bypass the clutch...or not bypass the clutch....is it worth the risk to bypass the clutch?

l008com

well you have to be in the car to push the button, so you might as well push the clutch too?

Robowreck

True enough. I was just looking for another reason to install this kit other than the cool factor and was thinking the clutch bypass would push it over the edge on whether or not to do it. If I have to push the clutch, and turn the key anyway makes my decision on whether or not to go through with it a little more difficult

l008com

Well **** you could always bypass the clutch and not install the button. Alternately (i haven't been reading this thread and i don't know why i'm suddenly getting emails about it, but i haven't read the other 7 pages) maybe you can switch the clutch switch to the gearbox? I thought I read once that the transmission has some kind of indicator of weather or not its in neutral. If you could hook the ignition up to that instead, then you wouldn't have to push the clutch, but you'd still have the safety of your car not driving away. That what I want to do. Only I don't want the button on my dash, I want it on my keychain :-)

Robowreck

Someone else was talking about something like that in this thread, but instead of using the transmission indicator they wanted to install the push button kit, bypass the clutch, and use a remote start system to start there car without depressing the clutch, using the key, or pushing the button. They didn't have it planned out but they may still be throwing around ideas. Maybe we'll see a DIY thread for it soon

Robowreck

I believe the person doing the setup with the remote start was irfan. His post was from a year ago so i'm sure if you PM him and he accomplished it he could give you the details if thats what you're talking about

irfan

hey i just got an email update saying this thread was alive... i did install a remote start into my 6spd last year.. worked perfectly til the remote starter main unit fried when i had to jump the car once.. damn headlights.

anyways.. what i did was set it so the clutch was bypassed meaning you did not have to press the clutch to start the car. yes u have the danger of the car lurching forward (thats why that clutch press safety feature is there in the first place). my remote starter system had a manual mode which meant you had to leave te car in neutral, let off the brake, turn the car off. to make sure the car was in neutral the car would keep running until you got out and closed the doors.. that way if it was in gear.. well ud know about it. i had a compustar system.

now that winter is rolling around i am getting another remote starter.. maybe a hornet 654t. this will not have that mode where the car stays running (neither does the automatic version of the compustar) ,, so it is more risky. however there is a wire coming off the transmission.. i think its gray.. under the car.. and this indicates if the car is in gear or not (so it can turn the cruise control off if u push the car out of gear).. this wire will run into a relay (or the remote starter if it has a similar feature).. and then i will have it so the car only starts when the car is in neutral.. no neutral, no start.

i did not like the compustar's manual mode ("reservation" mode) .. not because it kept the car running til u shut the door.. but because if u left something in the car and had to get it after the mode was set, it would cancel out and you would have to start the car, and reset the reservation mode. in the dead of winter in an rx8 this means sitting in your car for 5-10 minutes until the car warms up so you don't flood your engine. very annoying.

but anyways.. for those that are doing a push button start.. you NEED to bypass the clutch. that simple. additionally i would wire a relay that killed the push button power until the car was in neutral. i don't remember all the wiring schemes right now since it was a year ago but let me know if you have any questions.

paulmasoner

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I recall a few posts from this and other threads wanting to be able to start the car with the "start button" without having to turn the ignition ****( i am speaking of the FOB key models). Seems to me this would require one more switch to be added(maybe next to DSC?) that was a 3 position switch.. off, acc, and run(this way you could turn the 8 off too). I dont know the working of this at all but shouldnt it be fairly easy to tap all the ignition wires and hook this up?

Or did i completely miss the posts giving these directions already?

irfan

its easy to tap the ignition wires.. they are all located on the left of the steering column in a molex connector.. its tough to undo tho... i think a red safety latch too.. just remove the steering wheel column housing and you will see the large plug back there behing the lights stalk.

now if you want to start the car with JUST a start button.. you would need to wire a relay of some sort (dont ask me exactly how)... that would trip the ACC wires first and HOLD in that position (i think they sell relays that do this), and then the IGN wires temporarily (dunno, im sure u can get some relay with a delay feature in it somehow), and then revert back to just holding the ACC circuit closed/on. I cant remember if we need an ACC2 or IGN2 wire tho.

Additionally when you hit the button it will need to provide 12V to an immobilizer bypass that has a key inside it (i used the universal model from DEI.. forget the model number,.. something like 588U or something.. get the one with the U at the end). you will need to put a key in this module and hide it somewhere too. without this bypass the car will never start.

also, if its a stick shift.. bypass the clutch.