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02-05-2008, 12:48 PM
#501
I'm really trying to get in the beta testing...
I like being the abrasive reviewer when I need to be...I'm pretty hard on things as I expect a minimum standard of functionality...
When stuff does not work...I like to understand why...and when it will...
If it works great...I become a cheerleader...
If its craptacular...and there is no hope for correction...
I'll set up a freakin site simply to host my review pointing that out...haa haa
Something tells me that I will not be asked to beta test it...I doubt they possess the "cojones" to allow me to do so...heh
I like being the abrasive reviewer when I need to be...I'm pretty hard on things as I expect a minimum standard of functionality...
When stuff does not work...I like to understand why...and when it will...
If it works great...I become a cheerleader...
If its craptacular...and there is no hope for correction...
I'll set up a freakin site simply to host my review pointing that out...haa haa
Something tells me that I will not be asked to beta test it...I doubt they possess the "cojones" to allow me to do so...heh
02-05-2008, 01:28 PM
#503
Altho...its always a good time...and usually worth the money...and the ensuing shenanigans are always hilarious...
02-05-2008, 01:32 PM
#504
I'm starting to think that "beta" testing group is more like..."time buying excuses"...
If there were indeed any beta testers we would have at least had a...
"Hay gai's i R testin uR AP! iTz teh rawk!"
Best thing we have seen/heard so far is...they have used it ON a forum members car...but that's about it...
Again...I hate* to be the abrasive one of the group...but higher than average intelligence generally makes you far from being one of the legions of sheep...or care about anyone's feelings...
I haznt called shenanigans yet...however my shenanigan trigger finger is starting become really itchy...really fast...
Last edited by eviltwinkie; 02-05-2008 at 01:41 PM. Reason: Clarification: *hate - dislike having to point things out to others that they should see for themselves...
02-05-2008, 03:23 PM
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I just called Cobb and spoke with a rep from their sales department (not the most in the know person, I know) about my interest in joining the beta test. His response was that they're sending beta units to tuning SHOPS and not individual tuners, as they want before and after dyno tests from shop owners. This doesn't jive with what's been posted online, but he said an e-mail to this effect was set to Cobb approved tuning shops and internally last week.
I dunno how accurate this is, take it for what it's worth.
I dunno how accurate this is, take it for what it's worth.
02-05-2008, 03:37 PM
#507
I just called Cobb and spoke with a rep from their sales department (not the most in the know person, I know) about my interest in joining the beta test. His response was that they're sending beta units to tuning SHOPS and not individual tuners, as they want before and after dyno tests from shop owners. This doesn't jive with what's been posted online, but he said an e-mail to this effect was set to Cobb approved tuning shops and internally last week.
I dunno how accurate this is, take it for what it's worth.
I dunno how accurate this is, take it for what it's worth.
Hay Twinkie, you thinking what I'm thinking
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02-05-2008, 04:29 PM
#508
I just called Cobb and spoke with a rep from their sales department (not the most in the know person, I know) about my interest in joining the beta test. His response was that they're sending beta units to tuning SHOPS and not individual tuners, as they want before and after dyno tests from shop owners. This doesn't jive with what's been posted online, but he said an e-mail to this effect was set to Cobb approved tuning shops and internally last week.
I dunno how accurate this is, take it for what it's worth.
I dunno how accurate this is, take it for what it's worth.
So I'll take it for what its worth...sales people mumbo jumbo...or basically...worthless...
02-05-2008, 04:30 PM
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02-05-2008, 04:33 PM
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Fix0red!
02-05-2008, 04:45 PM
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I think you misunderstood the point of my post... I was lead to believe based on what was posted on here and on the Cobb forums that individuals would be receiving units for testing, and I was saying that their sales bloke said otherwise. As I said, take it for what it's worth.
Does anything BUT make me happy, I was hoping to lay my paws on an AP unit for testing.
Figured it wasn't going to happen, but I thought perhaps it was worth a shot.
02-05-2008, 04:51 PM
#514
I think you misunderstood the point of my post... I was lead to believe based on what was posted on here and on the Cobb forums that individuals would be receiving units for testing, and I was saying that their sales bloke said otherwise. As I said, take it for what it's worth.
Does anything BUT make me happy, I was hoping to lay my paws on an AP unit for testing.
Figured it wasn't going to happen, but I thought perhaps it was worth a shot.
Until a member here that we know...posts a "I have it in my hands"...I'm going to keep hinting at shenanigans...
Oh and in the meantime I'll be having my own beta testing conducted by a select group of high end racing teams for my new super-sequential twin-scroll twin-turbo supercharged battery terminals...
For sale soon too...
02-05-2008, 05:06 PM
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I guess I should have expected to get flamed for sharing what I was told.
I'm not trying to add any credibility FOR or AGAINST their product being vaporware. I am simply sharing what I learned. TeamRX8 has one in his hands, at least that is what I was led to believe by some insightful reading.
Sounds like the AP exists to me.
I'm not trying to add any credibility FOR or AGAINST their product being vaporware. I am simply sharing what I learned. TeamRX8 has one in his hands, at least that is what I was led to believe by some insightful reading.
Sounds like the AP exists to me.
02-05-2008, 05:11 PM
#516
I guess I should have expected to get flamed for sharing what I was told.
I'm not trying to add any credibility FOR or AGAINST their product being vaporware. I am simply sharing what I learned. TeamRX8 has one in his hands, at least that is what I was led to believe by some insightful reading.
Sounds like the AP exists to me.
I'm not trying to add any credibility FOR or AGAINST their product being vaporware. I am simply sharing what I learned. TeamRX8 has one in his hands, at least that is what I was led to believe by some insightful reading.
Sounds like the AP exists to me.
I for one appreciate your input and legwork...
You are however wrong...Team does NOT have one...COBB used it on his car...did a dyno and have failed to ever give him his dyno...
As slippery of a character as I am...I do my homework...and I know for a fact that no one on this forum has one in their possession...NDA or not...
I haz muh sources...
02-05-2008, 05:38 PM
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team rx8 never had one in his hands.....cobb did however tune and test his car for him...but he told everyone he didnt actually get to keep the ap
02-05-2008, 06:13 PM
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makes sense they would go that direction... but are you sure it wasn't the tuner software the sales guy was talking about which would correspond to what Try said almost exactly
02-05-2008, 06:27 PM
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No, he clarified pretty explicitly that the tuning software was not what he was talking about.
I stand corrected on TeamRX8 having it. I was misled by your post stating
which I read on the Cobb forums. Guess I just didn't read enough.
I like to think I'm well informed as well
. Just apparently not in this situation.
I stand corrected on TeamRX8 having it. I was misled by your post stating
I know of at least one person who has the AP...and I keep bagging on the bastard for it...
Those of you in the know will "know" whom I speaketh of...
Those of you in the know will "know" whom I speaketh of...
I like to think I'm well informed as well
. Just apparently not in this situation.
02-05-2008, 07:24 PM
#521
For the most part, flash engineers are painfully lazy and will only crack the barest minimum. For years, SuperChips (SuperChumps) only addressed ignition timing and badly at that.
The AP is comprehensive. Hopefully, so will Hymee's new Scanalyzer.
Honestly, my money is on Hymee.
02-05-2008, 07:31 PM
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So...what your saying is basically lending credibility that its simply yet another delay tactic...
Until a member here that we know...posts a "I have it in my hands"...I'm going to keep hinting at shenanigans...
Oh and in the meantime I'll be having my own beta testing conducted by a select group of high end racing teams for my new super-sequential twin-scroll twin-turbo supercharged battery terminals...
For sale soon too...
Until a member here that we know...posts a "I have it in my hands"...I'm going to keep hinting at shenanigans...
Oh and in the meantime I'll be having my own beta testing conducted by a select group of high end racing teams for my new super-sequential twin-scroll twin-turbo supercharged battery terminals...
For sale soon too...
02-05-2008, 07:35 PM
#523
Guess I should speak up before the truth gets twisted every which way
I originally supplied my SCCA STU-class RX-8 to Cobb Tuning following the National Championships late 9/2006. The only previous dyno I had run with the same basic mods was in 5/2006 where it pulled 200 rwhp on a Dynojet in TX on the factory PCM software running mid-high 11 AFRs. When I picked it up from Cobb Tuning in 1/2007 it was pushing 214 rwhp corrected on their shop Mustang dyno. This dyno graph is posted in the Tech Forum's Dyno Compilation thread. I don't claim any relevance between those two dyno runs; different brand dynos in different locations. The Cobb Tuning results were running mid-13 AFRs. Both the AFR and timing was tweaked. There was also a notable improvement running higher than gas pump octane unleaded fuel.
I was a bit disappointed by the results and theorized that it was an intake air issue. The perforated aluminum grilles were removed from the all of the bumper openings and I built a new custom CAI now fed by a Racing Beat ram air duct. The OE plastic grille area located directly in front of the RB ram duct was cut out/removed to provide uninhibited flow to the intake. I also modified the exhaust from a 3" tube dumping under the car behind the differential to instead splitting into dual 2" tubes piped out the exhaust shrouds with short Supertrapp mufflers as the tips.
With these mods the car seemed noticably peppier. We attempted to run it on a local Clayton dyno that was a new shop install and couldn't get rwhp/tq numbers that made any sense. It later turned out to be a wiring harness issue between the dyno and their shop computer. However, what we found out from those runs is that the AFRs were now up in the high-14 range WOT, so there was an obvious change from those mods.
Ran it that way for quite a while until 8/2007 when we put in on Cobb Tuning's other Mustang dyno located at Miller Motorsport Park, where I happened to be running an SCCA event the same day they were holding their annual track day. We confirmed that the WOT AFRs were in the high-14 range and then retuned to bring them down in the mid-13s again. All of the tuning was done using a laptop plugged into the car's OBD2 port that appeared to running in synch with their office on a network connection. I never received any of their proprietary hardware or software. When we were done the engine was pulling just under 222 rwhp and 145 ft/lb rwtq, again on elevated octane unleaded fuel. There was only a small amount of difference from running higher AFRs; one-two hp and several ft/lb tq, so IMO there's no justification to risk the engine with anything over mid-13 AFRs.
I just assumed I could get an email copy of the final dyno graph, but after several requests decided it wasn't worth hassling them over. I could have video'd it or taken digital pics, but just didn't think it was necessary at the time. Maybe Justin or Trey can get a copy if they're so inclined, but I personally know what it was and don't care if anyone believes us or not.
I'm just more than thankful to the people at Cobb Tuning for all their help and expertise, as well as being allowed the opportunity to be an early participant in their AccessPORT tuning of the RX-8. I can't guarantee results. I can only share my own, which are nothing but positive.
I originally supplied my SCCA STU-class RX-8 to Cobb Tuning following the National Championships late 9/2006. The only previous dyno I had run with the same basic mods was in 5/2006 where it pulled 200 rwhp on a Dynojet in TX on the factory PCM software running mid-high 11 AFRs. When I picked it up from Cobb Tuning in 1/2007 it was pushing 214 rwhp corrected on their shop Mustang dyno. This dyno graph is posted in the Tech Forum's Dyno Compilation thread. I don't claim any relevance between those two dyno runs; different brand dynos in different locations. The Cobb Tuning results were running mid-13 AFRs. Both the AFR and timing was tweaked. There was also a notable improvement running higher than gas pump octane unleaded fuel.
I was a bit disappointed by the results and theorized that it was an intake air issue. The perforated aluminum grilles were removed from the all of the bumper openings and I built a new custom CAI now fed by a Racing Beat ram air duct. The OE plastic grille area located directly in front of the RB ram duct was cut out/removed to provide uninhibited flow to the intake. I also modified the exhaust from a 3" tube dumping under the car behind the differential to instead splitting into dual 2" tubes piped out the exhaust shrouds with short Supertrapp mufflers as the tips.
With these mods the car seemed noticably peppier. We attempted to run it on a local Clayton dyno that was a new shop install and couldn't get rwhp/tq numbers that made any sense. It later turned out to be a wiring harness issue between the dyno and their shop computer. However, what we found out from those runs is that the AFRs were now up in the high-14 range WOT, so there was an obvious change from those mods.
Ran it that way for quite a while until 8/2007 when we put in on Cobb Tuning's other Mustang dyno located at Miller Motorsport Park, where I happened to be running an SCCA event the same day they were holding their annual track day. We confirmed that the WOT AFRs were in the high-14 range and then retuned to bring them down in the mid-13s again. All of the tuning was done using a laptop plugged into the car's OBD2 port that appeared to running in synch with their office on a network connection. I never received any of their proprietary hardware or software. When we were done the engine was pulling just under 222 rwhp and 145 ft/lb rwtq, again on elevated octane unleaded fuel. There was only a small amount of difference from running higher AFRs; one-two hp and several ft/lb tq, so IMO there's no justification to risk the engine with anything over mid-13 AFRs.
I just assumed I could get an email copy of the final dyno graph, but after several requests decided it wasn't worth hassling them over. I could have video'd it or taken digital pics, but just didn't think it was necessary at the time. Maybe Justin or Trey can get a copy if they're so inclined, but I personally know what it was and don't care if anyone believes us or not.
I'm just more than thankful to the people at Cobb Tuning for all their help and expertise, as well as being allowed the opportunity to be an early participant in their AccessPORT tuning of the RX-8. I can't guarantee results. I can only share my own, which are nothing but positive.
Last edited by TeamRX8; 02-05-2008 at 07:38 PM.
02-05-2008, 07:47 PM
#524
Never had any issue at all. No CELs (the car/all mods were emissions legal with aftermarket cat etc. in place, no defeats or trickery), no idle or drivability issues, no cold/hot start issues, below freezing or over 100 degF temperature extremes no issues, high altitude vs sea level no issues other than the obvious power output difference, absolutely nothing at all, never had a single hiccup, nada. The engine always started, ran, and shutdown as perfectly as you could want. Even after sitting for up to a month or more without being started.
The car is currently torn apart as I convert it back to Stock class trim per the FS ad for the mods I had installed. The PCM will have to be programmed back to OE software again to meet the class rules. It never had the recall performed so I'll likely get all that done at the same time down at the dealership.
We never modified the rev limiter either.
The car is currently torn apart as I convert it back to Stock class trim per the FS ad for the mods I had installed. The PCM will have to be programmed back to OE software again to meet the class rules. It never had the recall performed so I'll likely get all that done at the same time down at the dealership.
We never modified the rev limiter either.
Last edited by TeamRX8; 02-05-2008 at 07:57 PM.
02-06-2008, 11:51 AM
#525
remember twinks- several of "us" tested the RB flash as well as other things like intakes and exhausts, gauges etc etc for months before posting about it. when your beta testing and someone asks for your silence until the "launch" of a product you generally do so because the person put their trust in you and you might want to test something again in the future
They ask you...and then the public hears about it AFTERWARDS...thats how all beta testing is done...
At least in the "normal" world...
All this does is generate hype...much like...the hype of others...
Interesting how since Hymee made his announcement all of a sudden things start getting hyped...
Competition is always a good thing...but lets not get our panties in a wad yet is all I'm saying...
Be realistic people...something in denmark is stinking...and its not just my spoiled creme either...