I find humor in this jeff! Do you remember busting my ***** about the word ATTACHED? I never said I opened your calibration I merely said "a bit of reversed engineering". How you interpret that is up to you.

 

i think he is simply monitoring his OMP with some device and guessing.

but i suppose if someone were running one of your callibrations and chose to monitor all engine parameters, we could figure out, roughly, what the maps look like.

And since we'd be estimating, we wouldn't be violating your copyright, would we? I'm not sure, but it seems like you can't really stop someone from finding out what his car is doing.

Though if he then shares that info, you may have something. Not sure how all that works legally. Of course, when i think about a program like OPen Office, it would have been hard to make it look like that without at least trying to peak under the hood of Microsoft Office. So, i dunno.

But so we're clear, when I say I'd like to see MM's maps, I mean I'd like him to willfully disclose them or one or some of one, and maybe just disclose it to me.

 

What I figured as well.


Actually, no. That is kinda my point. There are several overlapping maps that are responsible for OMP output since it is load-referenced.
Just because there is a commanded value at one point in the map, the actual output might be (and is) quite different.
Which, for the OMP, can be quite dangerous. Which is why asserting that a value is thus and such from monitoring output is a bad idea and it is irresponsible to suggest that these values are useful assessments of my work.

I am mostly trying to protect myself from people that will later go on and claim "these are values from MazdaManiac's calibrations and they blew up my car!", not allowing for the fact that they were values acquired from "reverse engineering".

Believe me, it happens quite a bit already.

 

That makes sense. i totally understand where you're coming from.

and you've answered a question I had en passant. so, thanks.

 

I'll be more careful how I move my pawn next time.

 

in keeping with the analogy, it was i who lost the pawn. you answered a question I had indirectly and in passing; you took my pawn as it were en passant.

 

before jeff decided to blow all this out of proportion and get all butt hurt lets go back to my original question.

"How did you arrive at these numbers for the throttle map? I've tried to do a bit of reverse enginering on a map I have from jeff and his numbers seem to be a lot higher than what we have on the load map."

was it so hard to say

" There are several overlapping maps that are responsible for OMP output since it is load-referenced.
Just because there is a commanded value at one point in the map, the actual output might be (and is) quite different.
Which, for the OMP, can be quite dangerous."

Couldn't you have just said that in the beginning or "Well this is how i got to my "calculation" and if you would like to go it alone here's some help."? Instead you to tend to be a secret smart *** squirl and belittle anyone not on your level or trying to learn something new. Get over yourself

 

Because you in particular are very good at getting things horribly wrong and then assert that the result is the fault of someone else.
Furthermore, you have already spent so much energy on me in that regard that I feel no particular charity towards correcting your stupidity.

 

right that's it

 

That is it.
I am not your teacher, nor do I need to help you or anyone else beyond where it benefits me.

Someone else here on the forum pointed out my "shameless self-promotion" in another thread. I might point out, in that vein, that I have nothing to be ashamed of.
I acquired this stuff on my own and I am entitled to do with it as I please.
You are more than welcome to do the same.
However, to base your limited understanding on my efforts and then assert that my lack of further assistance is somehow selfish is spurious and stupid.

 

Oh ok i finally get it! SELF ABSORBED CONCEDED ******. Now that's something I can understand.

We can do this all day btw but I'd rather be gone fishen

 

why the hell is the master of map knowledge hording floating around in an open map thread anyway??? Add something constructive or STFU

 

Because I can do what ever the f*ck I please. Thanks.

 

This went downhill fast.

As much as I personally am not a fan of closed tuning... I have to say I don't blame Jeff one bit - seems like nowadays something like that would actually happen.

 

Sorry.


It does happen - with alarming regularity.
I've already had non-customers coming to me complaining that they are having problems with my base calibrations on FI applications.
They are intentionally set up to essentially ruin drivability if you go into boost.

Careless, ornery, stupid people.

 

What is FNG?

 

FNG = "******* New Guy", which is pretty funny when applied to me.
Fact is, I spend a couple of minutes every month trimming down my post count.
I go back and delete a lot of useless crap.

 

^u already have more than enough post

 

5 pages. only 1 map we can haz and no closer to determining universality. we are approaching failure.

 

If there was any "universality", there would be no need for custom tuning.
A universal calibration would make my life a lot easier...

 

i like to see empirical proof of that. seems an answer as to how much deviation can be expected shouldn't be hard to come by.

i mean, surely we can all set our fans the same. and so on?

 

Well, yeah. Thigs that are just on and off are just on and off.
But anything that is multi-value varies as much as 20% from car to car.

That is why the OEM tune is all over the place from car to car, even in totally stock format.

 

I saw this thread as an oportunity for those of us who want to delve into doing our own tuning , to share information that would be mutually beneficial .

MM , If you choose to come in here it could be a huge benefit to us all should you choose to offer constructive advice .

However , I respectfully suggest that if you don't want to actually help out with usefull advice that you don't bother posting at all , because your posts tend to be more offputting than helpful .

 

The problem is the advice I have offered and the data points I am providing are not rosy outcomes and platitudes.

Simply pointing out that assumptions made here are wrong is significantly more useful than the assumptions themselves.

 

haha are you kidding me. MazdaManiac wont constructively help with anything that will come close to hindering any of his sales... he is a shameless self promoting, self absorbed clown...
if anything he would want this thread to have never happened lol...

just my 2centssssss