Attn ALL Cobb Tuning Users - "Green Update" Rolling out
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Attn ALL Cobb Tuning Users - "Green Update" Rolling out
Wanted to share this as it will impact any of us still using a COBB tuning device on our vehicles. This update has begun rolling out, will be mandatory if you update your device and actually eliminates some of the most popular tuning features being utilized.
I realize the demand for the COBB has dwindled over time as COBB no longer supports the RX-8 platform but needless to say this is a game changer for many other platforms and I do not see this being received very well by other car communities.
https://www.cobbtuning.com/green-spe...te-april-2022/
I realize the demand for the COBB has dwindled over time as COBB no longer supports the RX-8 platform but needless to say this is a game changer for many other platforms and I do not see this being received very well by other car communities.
https://www.cobbtuning.com/green-spe...te-april-2022/
This update will provide you with an overview of changes that we have made to our Accesstuner Software system.
As a market leader in the custom tuning market, we have taken the position that we must help our customers address the regulatory challenges present in today’s marketplace. To us, this means helping ensure that tunes or calibrations developed using our Accesstuner software address the new/evolving emissions requirements present in the market and could be CARB EO certified. To do this we have made changes to our software that eliminate the chance of creating a file that could be viewed by an emissions regulator as a bypass, defeat, or emissions delete tune/calibration. We have taken great care to modify our software to ensure that calibrations developed with our system maintain the vehicle’s emissions system functionality and that they do not negatively impact the vehicle’s “Emissions-Related Elements of Design”. “Emissions-Related Elements of Design” is a term that refers to any part, device, or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine by an Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) for the specific purpose of controlling emissions or which must function properly to assure continued vehicle emission compliance.
These features include, but are not limited to:
• Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC);
• Oxygen (O2) Sensors;
• Exhaust Gas Temperature (EGT) Sensors;
• Three-way Catalysts (TWC);
• Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) Systems;
• Stratified Warmup;
• Tumble Generator Valves (TGV);
• Secondary Air Injection;
• Evaporative System;
• Features / tables, associated with certain OEM OBD Test Min/Max Limits;
• Features / tables, associated with certain OEM OBD Test Monitory Entry Thresholds.
Historically, our Accesstuner software exposed many of these tables, toggles, and diagnostic trouble codes and each individual/user was responsible for ensuring that the files that they created addressed all required emissions standards. Our understanding of the market and today’s regulatory environment has changed our view of how best to address these items. We have learned that multiple environmental/regulatory agencies may classify any modification of these features as “Delete Features” and assert that any calibrations/tune that modify these features as delete tunes that may negatively impact vehicle emissions.
Therefore, as of April 18th, 2022, we have modified our custom tuning software system (Accesstuner) to prevent the potential of users creating custom files/calibrations that could be viewed as a delete tune because the file modified in some way one (or more) of these features that the EPA and CARB have identified as “Emissions-Related Elements of Design”.
Please be assured that while these changes eliminate some of the features of our Accesstuner software, the software is still fully capable of producing the market’s best performance tunes and calibrations.
Additionally, because of our commitment to Project Green Speed and our desire to provide leadership in the marketplace and drive change, we will not provide technical assistance/support for old tuning files that include modification of any of the features that we identified as being an “Emissions-Related Element of Design” and have subsequently removed from our updated software going forward.
What Changes have been made to the Accesstuner Software?
DTCs
The ability to suppress certain DTCs directly associated with the operation of the following systems has been removed. The ability to modify all other DTCs not directly associated with these key emissions related systems remain unchanged:
• Oxygen (O2) Sensors;
• Exhaust Gas Temperature (EGT) Sensors;
• Three-way Catalysts (TWC);
• Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) Systems;
• Stratified Warmup;
• Tumble Generator Valves (TGV);
• Secondary Air Injection;
• Evaporative System;
Toggles
The ability to modify toggles or tables with switchable states (tables that act like toggles) associated with the operation of any of the following systems has been removed:
• Oxygen (O2) Sensors;
• Exhaust Gas Temperature (EGT) Sensors;
• Three-way Catalysts (TWC);
• Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) Systems;
• Stratified Warmup;
• Tumble Generator Valves (TGV);
• Secondary Air Injection;
• Evaporative System;
• Certain OEM OBD Test Min/Max Limits;
• Certain OEM OBD Test Monitory Entry;
Analog Flex Fuel
Because current analog flex fuel systems impact some of the signal processing of the identified key sensor and DTC signals, we have removed both the analog Nissan and Subaru Flex Fuel feature sets.
OBD Tests
OEM OBD Test Min/Max Limits
Because OEM OBD Test Min/Max Limits are defined as the parameters that determine a pass/fail during I/M Readiness tests, we have eliminated the ability to modify certain settings in these fields. For example, our new software will not support changing the parameters that determine if a catalytic converter is functioning properly.
OEM OBD Test Monitor Entry Thresholds
Because OEM OBD Test Monitor Entry Thresholds are defined as the parameters that determine if an I/M Readiness test can be run (i.e., coolant temperature, air temperature, vehicle speed, airflow, etc.) we have eliminated the ability to modify certain settings in these fields. For example, our new software will not support changing the Maximum MAF Threshold for Catalyst Diagnosis Activation.
Ancillary Definitions
OEM OBD Thresholds Not Related to OBD Tests
While there are certain OEM OBD Thresholds Not Related to OBD Tests, they do define the parameters that directly determine if a DTC will be set (i.e., “Limit Data”). We have reviewed all of these Ancillary Definitions and have removed the ability to modify those that could impact emissions related DTC functionality even though in and by themselves they fall outside of the strict definition of a delete feature. For example, changing the Maximum Boost to avoid a P0234 (Engine Over boost Condition) is not considered a delete feature.
Nissan GT-R Speed Density Tuning
Because the Speed Density tuning system once implemented cannot be reverted to stock or removed from the ROM, and this system indirectly alters certain OBD diagnostic tests, we have removed this feature/option from our updated software systems.
Automatic/Required Software Update
To ensure an even playing field and that all Accesstuner and Accesstuner Pro users are utilizing our Green Speed compliant software, we have developed an automatic/required update function in the software. As you have seen, on April 18, 2022 all users will be required to update their software to this new Green Speed compliant version of the software. All old versions of the software will cease to function after this date.
How will the Workflow Change with the New/Updated Software?
When an existing map is loaded into the software if it contains an active “Delete Feature”, you will be presented with a workflow to review the “Delete Feature” and accept its removal. We have made a number of changes to help you quickly identify the elements within a file/calibration that require modification.
Conditional Visibility
We have added a conditional visibility feature to the software to help identify when you need to make a change to a file/calibration.
• When a new map is
• Started (File | New), no Delete Features will be visible.
• Saved (File | Save), no Delete Features will be visible.
• When an existing map is
• Loaded (File | Load):
• Does not contain any active Delete Features, no Delete Features will be visible.
• Contains active Delete Features, all Delete Features will be visible.
• Saved (File | Save):
• Did not contain any active Delete Features, no Delete Features will be visible.
• Contained active Delete Features, all Delete Features remain visible.
Visual Indicators
We have changed the way we present our tuning/modification options in the software by adding visual indicators to quickly let you know what elements you can and cannot modify.
• Restricted DTCs and toggles
• Will be grayed-out indicating that they may not be modified
• These items will be read-only
• Restricted tables
• Will be de-saturated indicating that you cannot make changes to these tables
• These tables will be “read-only” and labeled as such next to each axis label
• They will also have a lock icon displayed next to the table name in the table tree view
As we have noted in our previous Project Green Speed updates, there are times when a market leader needs to make important decisions to proactively address market or regulatory uncertainty to help protect its enthusiast customers. With this change to our Accesstuner software, we have proactively addressed a potential issue for our Accesstuner users. We believe that by making these changes to our software and the product line changes announced earlier, we have addressed all of the known regulatory issues/challenges in our market and can now confidently focus on the future and growth.
PROJECT GREEN SPEED (APRIL 2022)
We are pleased to inform you that we have now received 88 California Air Resource Board (CARB) Executive Orders (EO’s), and we have many more applications working their way through the CARB EO approval process. We are 100% committed to serving your needs by being the industry leader in delivering exciting, responsible, and environmentally compliant hard parts, performance packages, and tuning solutions across all of our supported platforms.This update will provide you with an overview of changes that we have made to our Accesstuner Software system.
As a market leader in the custom tuning market, we have taken the position that we must help our customers address the regulatory challenges present in today’s marketplace. To us, this means helping ensure that tunes or calibrations developed using our Accesstuner software address the new/evolving emissions requirements present in the market and could be CARB EO certified. To do this we have made changes to our software that eliminate the chance of creating a file that could be viewed by an emissions regulator as a bypass, defeat, or emissions delete tune/calibration. We have taken great care to modify our software to ensure that calibrations developed with our system maintain the vehicle’s emissions system functionality and that they do not negatively impact the vehicle’s “Emissions-Related Elements of Design”. “Emissions-Related Elements of Design” is a term that refers to any part, device, or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine by an Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) for the specific purpose of controlling emissions or which must function properly to assure continued vehicle emission compliance.
These features include, but are not limited to:
• Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC);
• Oxygen (O2) Sensors;
• Exhaust Gas Temperature (EGT) Sensors;
• Three-way Catalysts (TWC);
• Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) Systems;
• Stratified Warmup;
• Tumble Generator Valves (TGV);
• Secondary Air Injection;
• Evaporative System;
• Features / tables, associated with certain OEM OBD Test Min/Max Limits;
• Features / tables, associated with certain OEM OBD Test Monitory Entry Thresholds.
Historically, our Accesstuner software exposed many of these tables, toggles, and diagnostic trouble codes and each individual/user was responsible for ensuring that the files that they created addressed all required emissions standards. Our understanding of the market and today’s regulatory environment has changed our view of how best to address these items. We have learned that multiple environmental/regulatory agencies may classify any modification of these features as “Delete Features” and assert that any calibrations/tune that modify these features as delete tunes that may negatively impact vehicle emissions.
Therefore, as of April 18th, 2022, we have modified our custom tuning software system (Accesstuner) to prevent the potential of users creating custom files/calibrations that could be viewed as a delete tune because the file modified in some way one (or more) of these features that the EPA and CARB have identified as “Emissions-Related Elements of Design”.
Please be assured that while these changes eliminate some of the features of our Accesstuner software, the software is still fully capable of producing the market’s best performance tunes and calibrations.
Additionally, because of our commitment to Project Green Speed and our desire to provide leadership in the marketplace and drive change, we will not provide technical assistance/support for old tuning files that include modification of any of the features that we identified as being an “Emissions-Related Element of Design” and have subsequently removed from our updated software going forward.
What Changes have been made to the Accesstuner Software?
DTCs
The ability to suppress certain DTCs directly associated with the operation of the following systems has been removed. The ability to modify all other DTCs not directly associated with these key emissions related systems remain unchanged:
• Oxygen (O2) Sensors;
• Exhaust Gas Temperature (EGT) Sensors;
• Three-way Catalysts (TWC);
• Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) Systems;
• Stratified Warmup;
• Tumble Generator Valves (TGV);
• Secondary Air Injection;
• Evaporative System;
Toggles
The ability to modify toggles or tables with switchable states (tables that act like toggles) associated with the operation of any of the following systems has been removed:
• Oxygen (O2) Sensors;
• Exhaust Gas Temperature (EGT) Sensors;
• Three-way Catalysts (TWC);
• Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) Systems;
• Stratified Warmup;
• Tumble Generator Valves (TGV);
• Secondary Air Injection;
• Evaporative System;
• Certain OEM OBD Test Min/Max Limits;
• Certain OEM OBD Test Monitory Entry;
Analog Flex Fuel
Because current analog flex fuel systems impact some of the signal processing of the identified key sensor and DTC signals, we have removed both the analog Nissan and Subaru Flex Fuel feature sets.
OBD Tests
OEM OBD Test Min/Max Limits
Because OEM OBD Test Min/Max Limits are defined as the parameters that determine a pass/fail during I/M Readiness tests, we have eliminated the ability to modify certain settings in these fields. For example, our new software will not support changing the parameters that determine if a catalytic converter is functioning properly.
OEM OBD Test Monitor Entry Thresholds
Because OEM OBD Test Monitor Entry Thresholds are defined as the parameters that determine if an I/M Readiness test can be run (i.e., coolant temperature, air temperature, vehicle speed, airflow, etc.) we have eliminated the ability to modify certain settings in these fields. For example, our new software will not support changing the Maximum MAF Threshold for Catalyst Diagnosis Activation.
Ancillary Definitions
OEM OBD Thresholds Not Related to OBD Tests
While there are certain OEM OBD Thresholds Not Related to OBD Tests, they do define the parameters that directly determine if a DTC will be set (i.e., “Limit Data”). We have reviewed all of these Ancillary Definitions and have removed the ability to modify those that could impact emissions related DTC functionality even though in and by themselves they fall outside of the strict definition of a delete feature. For example, changing the Maximum Boost to avoid a P0234 (Engine Over boost Condition) is not considered a delete feature.
Nissan GT-R Speed Density Tuning
Because the Speed Density tuning system once implemented cannot be reverted to stock or removed from the ROM, and this system indirectly alters certain OBD diagnostic tests, we have removed this feature/option from our updated software systems.
Automatic/Required Software Update
To ensure an even playing field and that all Accesstuner and Accesstuner Pro users are utilizing our Green Speed compliant software, we have developed an automatic/required update function in the software. As you have seen, on April 18, 2022 all users will be required to update their software to this new Green Speed compliant version of the software. All old versions of the software will cease to function after this date.
How will the Workflow Change with the New/Updated Software?
When an existing map is loaded into the software if it contains an active “Delete Feature”, you will be presented with a workflow to review the “Delete Feature” and accept its removal. We have made a number of changes to help you quickly identify the elements within a file/calibration that require modification.
Conditional Visibility
We have added a conditional visibility feature to the software to help identify when you need to make a change to a file/calibration.
• When a new map is
• Started (File | New), no Delete Features will be visible.
• Saved (File | Save), no Delete Features will be visible.
• When an existing map is
• Loaded (File | Load):
• Does not contain any active Delete Features, no Delete Features will be visible.
• Contains active Delete Features, all Delete Features will be visible.
• Saved (File | Save):
• Did not contain any active Delete Features, no Delete Features will be visible.
• Contained active Delete Features, all Delete Features remain visible.
Visual Indicators
We have changed the way we present our tuning/modification options in the software by adding visual indicators to quickly let you know what elements you can and cannot modify.
• Restricted DTCs and toggles
• Will be grayed-out indicating that they may not be modified
• These items will be read-only
• Restricted tables
• Will be de-saturated indicating that you cannot make changes to these tables
• These tables will be “read-only” and labeled as such next to each axis label
• They will also have a lock icon displayed next to the table name in the table tree view
As we have noted in our previous Project Green Speed updates, there are times when a market leader needs to make important decisions to proactively address market or regulatory uncertainty to help protect its enthusiast customers. With this change to our Accesstuner software, we have proactively addressed a potential issue for our Accesstuner users. We believe that by making these changes to our software and the product line changes announced earlier, we have addressed all of the known regulatory issues/challenges in our market and can now confidently focus on the future and growth.
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wcs (04-19-2022)
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dats ghey. can cali please just fall into the ocean already? cobb wont even reflash an accessport back to oem specs (mine is married to a totalled 8) so its a paperweight
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200.mph (04-20-2022)
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With the compulsory update and redundancy of old versions should be alarm bells to prospective cutomers for all the other platforms I would think.
So it's unlikely that any prior version would escape the "compulsory update"? If so I am now reconsidering my upcoming purchase of either Mazdaedit or Versatuner after being indecisive while researching. Thoughts??
So it's unlikely that any prior version would escape the "compulsory update"? If so I am now reconsidering my upcoming purchase of either Mazdaedit or Versatuner after being indecisive while researching. Thoughts??
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MazdaEdit's author is in Russia, he probably doesn't care at all especially based on the current political situation. He'll probably go wilder.
My guess, since he's still selling stuff in the US there might be some consideration of him.
My guess, since he's still selling stuff in the US there might be some consideration of him.
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wcs: if by nerf'd you mean death blow to the majority of the tuning community, yup that's basically what they did. I understand the pressure COBB was under but they're not in CA anymore so this move is a little confusing.
a quick scan of the Subaru or GT-R forums today shows you just how well this move is going over...
I would think MazdaEdit and VersaTuner are what most of the tuners are using these days so this isn't a HUGE blow to the RX-8 community as I doubt many of us still have laptops that can even run the old COBB software (assuming you still have it)
I know my AP hasn't been updated in probably 10 years as the tune in there works and no need to mess with it.
@Brettus @Kane thoughts on any of this?
a quick scan of the Subaru or GT-R forums today shows you just how well this move is going over...
I would think MazdaEdit and VersaTuner are what most of the tuners are using these days so this isn't a HUGE blow to the RX-8 community as I doubt many of us still have laptops that can even run the old COBB software (assuming you still have it)
I know my AP hasn't been updated in probably 10 years as the tune in there works and no need to mess with it.
@Brettus @Kane thoughts on any of this?
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wcs: if by nerf'd you mean death blow to the majority of the tuning community, yup that's basically what they did. I understand the pressure COBB was under but they're not in CA anymore so this move is a little confusing.
a quick scan of the Subaru or GT-R forums today shows you just how well this move is going over...
I would think MazdaEdit and VersaTuner are what most of the tuners are using these days so this isn't a HUGE blow to the RX-8 community as I doubt many of us still have laptops that can even run the old COBB software (assuming you still have it)
I know my AP hasn't been updated in probably 10 years as the tune in there works and no need to mess with it.
@Brettus @Kane thoughts on any of this?
a quick scan of the Subaru or GT-R forums today shows you just how well this move is going over...
I would think MazdaEdit and VersaTuner are what most of the tuners are using these days so this isn't a HUGE blow to the RX-8 community as I doubt many of us still have laptops that can even run the old COBB software (assuming you still have it)
I know my AP hasn't been updated in probably 10 years as the tune in there works and no need to mess with it.
@Brettus @Kane thoughts on any of this?
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I've switched over to VT and for the most part have been really happy with the product.
I still have my Cobb as a backup.
Much appreciate the heads up to not accept the update if I decide to use it for something.
(I have a old copy of windows on a VM that is how the old Cobb AP and ATR FWIW)
I still have my Cobb as a backup.
Much appreciate the heads up to not accept the update if I decide to use it for something.
(I have a old copy of windows on a VM that is how the old Cobb AP and ATR FWIW)
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Jedi54 (04-20-2022)
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hope things are going well wsc, still waiting for ya to send me a turbo kit
![Yelrotflmao Vi](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/yelrotflmao-vi.gif)
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200.mph (04-20-2022)
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wcs: if by nerf'd you mean death blow to the majority of the tuning community, yup that's basically what they did. I understand the pressure COBB was under but they're not in CA anymore so this move is a little confusing.
a quick scan of the Subaru or GT-R forums today shows you just how well this move is going over...
I would think MazdaEdit and VersaTuner are what most of the tuners are using these days so this isn't a HUGE blow to the RX-8 community as I doubt many of us still have laptops that can even run the old COBB software (assuming you still have it)
I know my AP hasn't been updated in probably 10 years as the tune in there works and no need to mess with it.
@Brettus @Kane thoughts on any of this?
a quick scan of the Subaru or GT-R forums today shows you just how well this move is going over...
I would think MazdaEdit and VersaTuner are what most of the tuners are using these days so this isn't a HUGE blow to the RX-8 community as I doubt many of us still have laptops that can even run the old COBB software (assuming you still have it)
I know my AP hasn't been updated in probably 10 years as the tune in there works and no need to mess with it.
@Brettus @Kane thoughts on any of this?
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Jedi54 (04-20-2022)
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Trey Cobb sold the company in 2014 to a corporation (Accel or Holley maybe? I forgot, but it’s posted on the forum somewhere). I think he owns a coffee shop company in Austin now or last I heard. I suspect because that’s when this kind of thing was just coming on the scene with the EPA and he saw the eventual writing on the wall to exit stage right at the appropriate moment. So it’s not even the same company now as it was back in the RX8 days.
Obviously the notice only applies to current applications they support (V3 and newer systems) that came after they dropped the RX8 application rather than carry it over to the V3 version, and the notice is irrelevant to anyone here still using the RX8 Cobb system.
edit:just clarifying it at the end with the bold text
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Obviously the notice only applies to current applications they support (V3 and newer systems) that came after they dropped the RX8 application rather than carry it over to the V3 version, and the notice is irrelevant to anyone here still using the RX8 Cobb system.
edit:just clarifying it at the end with the bold text
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Last edited by TeamRX8; 09-19-2023 at 08:19 PM.
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sil80drifter (09-25-2022)
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Just to be clear, we are ok with running and using our Accessports because the software is too old to matter.
Set up a old Win 7 machine and cloned my drive, ran the Manager update, it is still at 3.1.7. Do I try and plug in the Access port tool?
Set up a old Win 7 machine and cloned my drive, ran the Manager update, it is still at 3.1.7. Do I try and plug in the Access port tool?
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Rotary Crawfish
What I am trying to figure out is if I allow my Accessport to connect to the manager software with ethernet on so it can do any and all updates, will this kill ATR and or not allow me to make (new) tunes and disable CEL's in ATR?
I have backups of my computer with older versions of ATR and Manager.
I have been reading too many websites about GreenSpeed and what it affects with Cobb Accessport.
Thanks, Steve
I have backups of my computer with older versions of ATR and Manager.
I have been reading too many websites about GreenSpeed and what it affects with Cobb Accessport.
Thanks, Steve
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try again, in order for that to work you’d have to get a new copy of Access Tuner Race from Cobb, except you can’t for the RX8:
Trey Cobb sold the company in 2014 to a corporation (Accel or Holley maybe? I forgot, but it’s posted on the forum somewhere). I think he owns a coffee shop company in Austin now or last I heard. I suspect because that’s when this kind of thing was just coming on the scene with the EPA and he saw the eventual writing on the wall to exit stage right at the appropriate moment. So it’s not even the same company now as it was back in the RX8 days.
Obviously the notice only applies to current applications they support (V3 and newer systems) that came after they dropped the RX8 application rather than carry it over to the V3 version, and the notice is irrelevant to anyone here still using the RX8 Cobb system.
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Obviously the notice only applies to current applications they support (V3 and newer systems) that came after they dropped the RX8 application rather than carry it over to the V3 version, and the notice is irrelevant to anyone here still using the RX8 Cobb system.
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