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Old 09-21-2009, 05:03 PM
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so that is not the standalone yet?
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Nope sorry - gotta move and stuff; so my schedule is all jacked up.
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thats cool. i'll see ya when you get here.
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Originally Posted by Kane
http://www.mediafire.com/?jlynyyttzon

New Expiration Date - November 15th 2009.... download here; no updates for this since it seems to be working well.
cool. thanks, bro.
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Werd man; VE tuning time.

Just be sure to set up your target AFR map.
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Nope sorry - gotta move and stuff; so my schedule is all jacked up.
Soooooo are you here yet?
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Nov 13th...... I am jumping from couch to couch trying to get out of here.
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PPO2's Tuning Software Introduction Video

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: Version 1.6.3 is now available with MAF based tuning and import defaults!!! 1.6.3 also works with Vista !!!!!


This copy will work until March 30th, 2010. *** Updated Version 1.6.3***
Fixes:
- Save Existing Template Error
- MAP Based tuners having to put in a MAF scale / you no longer have to.
- Import RPM bug in Vista
- MAF Voltage errors when tuning with a MAP EMS
- Bulk Target AFR Loader! No more typing!

I will try to get out new versions of the Beta as I fix MAJOR issues.

Link to Download Version 1.6.3 -
VISTA USERS
**** You must also put the file into a trusted location so the code can run. Read more about it here: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/ac...319991033.aspx - VISTA ONLY

Zipped File Clicky!!!


You MUST have MS Access 2003 or later to use the Beta version. If not you will have to wait until I move it to a standalone.
How to Use the Wizard Help This sets up the motor for Baseline
How to Import a Data-log into Baseline
How to Create a Tune and View

User Guide is in progress under "Help".

Sample Log File to play with - http://www.mediafire.com/?mmntwl0wknm

For Hondata - use the % to Add or Remove; since your maps are not in Duration or Duty Cycle.

For PFC - UPDATE!!! Apexi PFC Now Has the Duration Map available!

For IntX - Be sure to set up the auxilary fueling in the Injector Setup Window by Checking the Auxiliary Fueling Block. And use the % to Add or Remove also.

For AP Racetuner - go ahead an set the Manifold PSI Scale up in load - and see what kind of logs you get; I don't know how it will work yet - but if you are bored. I do know the HP calculations will be wayyyyyy off.

You must set up the load in the scale your EMS logs in - so if your EMS load is in percent but is logged as full numbers - set the load scale up accordingly (10 instead of .10 etc). This is important.

Go to http://ppo2performance.com/ for more information...

**** To save your import file defaults, select the columns in the import window and press "Save Defaults". The next file you import will default to the columns from your set-up.

**** If you are Tuning with a MAF Sensor; you need to go into Options and set up your MAF scale from your factory EMS - so you can get your MAF Scale grouped by your voltages.

We're back bitches!!!!! With some new cool stuff. See my tuning thread to see baseline in action.

Also if you get your Target AFR's into THIS format in excel.


Then you can copy and paste them into Baseline (AFTER YOU SET UP YOUR ENGINE). Just Go to Options, and then the Target AFR Bulk Loader Button. Then Highlight all the old stuff, right click and delete, then right click and paste new stuff. Be sure the Load and RPM Scales are accurate.
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Hey Kane. I'm trying to setup Baseline and I"m once again stuck trying to decide my AFR latency. It really does seem to be excessively long(2 seconds?)
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Whoah.... that is long - has your car latency always been like that?

On most OEM O2 sensors it has averaged out to about 500-520ms on the cars I've touched.
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Originally Posted by Kane
Whoah.... that is long - has your car latency always been like that?

On most OEM O2 sensors it has averaged out to about 500-520ms on the cars I've touched.
Yea, thats what I've been saying for months My widebands both have a huge delay. Its really made looking at logs and trying to predict afrs with my tune a bish!
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Well if it is repeatable and predictable.... then it is what it is.

If your delays are all around 2 seconds, then set it up and go from there, but I would run a lot of test logs to verify first.
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Its been like that in all my logs since i installed the turbo. I always just assumed it was because the sensors are at the bottom of my downpipe. Whats wierd though, is that you'd think there would be less delay at higher flows, but its pretty constant.
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Looking at the log I think that isn't a good data point..the throttle looks closed from the log...but the inj duty cycle doesn't drop until later than the throttle...me thinks the throttle % shown might be pedal position?? and not actual throttle position. that would explain it...the airflow takes a while to drop as well....

I'd do a few logs at a lower rpm....and speed...where the ECU isn't pissing with the throttle
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Its been like that in dozens of logs for the last 7 months

Heres some cuts from a bunch of different logs:
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Can you log fewer parameters faster??

The values are .5 sec apart....it would be good to see them .1 or so

There seems to be lag between your throttle and airflow and fuel pulsewidth #'s that accounts for 1 sec or so of the latency by the looks of things..
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Could be due to the MAF location, throttle and AFR all being so far apart....
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Originally Posted by Mawnee
Hey Kane. I'm trying to setup Baseline and I"m once again stuck trying to decide my AFR latency. It really does seem to be excessively long(2 seconds?)
It looks to me like 1.5-2 secs which is an eternity - how far is your o2 sensor from your maniflod and how is it mounted ?

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Originally Posted by Kane
Could be due to the MAF location, throttle and AFR all being so far apart....
Yea thats what I've always thought. The maf is ahead of the turbo, then all the intercoler piping out of the engine bay and then back in. Same thing on the hotside loop for the 02 sensors...its so far away from the engine. Between the two it makes for a long feedback loop.

Thats why I've always pondered going to a blow through setup, to at least get that closer to the throttle body. I've bought another bung and a plug so I could move the O2 sensor closer to the turbo if need be, but I'd rather not start cooking those right next to the turbo if I can help it.

Do you think its tunable like this Kane? Or am I going to have to make physical changes before I even bother?
My idle is okay, no stalling. It just oscillates the afr at idle a bit 13 to 15.5

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It looks to me like 1.5-2 secs which is an eternity - how far is your o2 sensor from your maniflod and how is it mounted ?
The O2 is in roughly the same location as stock on my downpipe. However now the gasses have to go up the manifold to the turbo, then all the way back down the downpipe to get there.

So its not just me? My car really is a bish to tune?

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As long as the delay is consistent you should be able to tune around it.

I'd give it a shot with Baseline if I were you.
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As long as the delay is consistent you should be able to tune around it.

I'd give it a shot with Baseline if I were you.
Cool, I'll give it a go. I'll spend some time logging tomorrow and see how it goes
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Thanks Kane One quick question if I may? In your video you add up all the injectors and just use one injector bank setting. But in one of the walkthroughs they are all seperate. Which is optimal, or does it matter?

Also, for the fuel tables I need to set them precisely as I have them in my tune so it can compare right? If so I may ...simplify my tune tables a bit to make importing it easier :P
I'm also going to bump my lowest commanded AFR up to 11.3 so it doesnt drop off the scale anymore.

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Originally Posted by Mawnee



The O2 is in roughly the same location as stock on my downpipe. However now the gasses have to go up the manifold to the turbo, then all the way back down the downpipe to get there.

So its not just me? My car really is a bish to tune?
what i'm puzzled about is how come a sensor on the dyno is way quicker than 2 seconds yet it is a hell of a lot further away from the manifold than your sensor .
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Originally Posted by Brettus
what i'm puzzled about is how come a sensor on the dyno is way quicker than 2 seconds yet it is a hell of a lot further away from the manifold than your sensor .
The Dyno operator and myself pondered the same thing.


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