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Old 01-18-2012, 10:12 AM
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so in other words, by keeping it online-based you get to maintain your own personal access to what all the participants are doing?
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
so in other words, by keeping it online-based you get to maintain your own personal access to what all the participants are doing?

One single code-base. The cost of release is much higher than online, then you have to support versions, release patches, maintain bug reports and fixes which is not to be taken lightly, 80% of all software cost is just for maintaining it.

Websites make those fixes transparent to the users, next time you log in, whatever bug or error was there is gone. Changing the database to allow for say seperate air fuel maps per gear can be done transparent to the user.

The aggregation of data is a bonus as is the security benefits. There is a reason everything is moving to the web and cloud baased computing, and as data networks (wi-fi, 3G, 4G, etc.) permeate, the drawback of say not having internet at a dyno is much smaller than it was 3-4 years ago and decreasing all the time.
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it's a bonus for you at the serious tuner's expense, but I suppose that is not really your target audience
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Time for an "Instructions Instructions" thread! lol
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Time for an "Instructions Instructions" thread! lol
So that everyone can ignore that too ...Now he gets to see just how well joe average can follow directions lol
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
it's a bonus for you at the serious tuner's expense, but I suppose that is not really your target audience

Why do you say that? How does me having a lot of data hurt pro tuners any more than me releasing software would hurt them? I'm curious
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So is this going to run on my smartphone
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Originally Posted by Kane
Why do you say that? How does me having a lot of data hurt pro tuners any more than me releasing software would hurt them? I'm curious
It doesn't hurt at all!
It is just important to understand the "Baseline" part of the thread title.

This new software does some of the math for you. It doesn't actually come up with a working calibration.
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So is this going to run on my smartphone

IIRC, they are working on putting out an iphone/android app.
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Baseline correction.

The only thing Baseline doesn't do for you is do timing...yet. Other than that Baseline will give you a complete fully working fuel map. That's what the software was written to do.

I know all of this because I helped write the new version with Kane.

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It doesn't hurt at all!
It is just important to understand the "Baseline" part of the thread title.

This new software does some of the math for you. It doesn't actually come up with a working calibration.
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Originally Posted by Kane
Why do you say that? How does me having a lot of data hurt pro tuners any more than me releasing software would hurt them? I'm curious
You have access to all the data. If you know who they are, then you also likely know more about them too. Who's to say you're not using it or sharing it with anyone else? The avg street enthusiast won't care, but the higher up the food chain the more concern there will be.
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We take privacy very seriously and will not be selling, sharing, or using your data in a way that you do not approve of. The data warehouse will be an opt in feature.
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good luck convincing people of that

it's a disappointing development, but best wishes just the same
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Originally Posted by jlancaster
The only thing Baseline doesn't do for you is do timing...yet. Other than that Baseline will give you a complete fully working fuel map. That's what the software was written to do.

I know all of this because I helped write the new version with Kane.
Most of the well-moneyed manufacturers and race teams have long-since moved to model-based calibration.
http://www.mathworks.com/company/newsletters/articles/calibration-of-engine-performance-at-mercedes-amg.html?issue=nn2010

There could be real advantages to this approach, especially if the alternative is hiring a duplicitous shaman.
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FWIW...
The maintenance software company I work for has implemented a solution for customers to share their content via the web.
Actually they can store their Intellectual content in our cloud servers or optional share with other customers that have selected to share content, or just a specific customer based on a agreement between the two (not involving us)

Just' say'n it seems to be the way things are going
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Interesting arguments all.

Jeff is right, Baseline is that - Baseline. The quality of the tune is dependent on data, the more data the closer to perfect is the tune. It does not replace a tuner and dyno when it comes to crapping out the last few HP. It's all a matter of cost vs. reward. By doing it over the web I can offer a $10 a month plan for unlimited tuning of an engine, no tuner can compute that much data for $10 bucks. So the user has to vote with their wallet.

Timing is in the works, and that may change the dynamic quite a bit.

The whole concept is open source, open math models, open tuning concept, we don't hide anything we are doing TeamRX8. You are paying for the convenience of not having to write your own software. So if you are a race car team and you want all your data to be secret, you can trust us or not (probably not) or buy Motek's version for a few grand plus the cost of the Motek that is required to run their software, but I can't justify charging users hundreds of dollars for a local copy of the software when the online equivalent is so much cheaper.
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Originally Posted by dannobre
So that everyone can ignore that too ...Now he gets to see just how well joe average can follow directions lol
Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Time for an "Instructions Instructions" thread! lol

HAHA, I am thinking about pod casts . videos instead of written directions. The software has a white surrender flag that users can hit to get at those help videos.

We shall see, it is an arms race you know...build something idiot proof - and they build a better idiot.
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now THAT i can qualify for! I am the latest version of a "better idiot". Just ask my wife.

Good job Kane--keep a bottle of Tylenol handy.
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Originally Posted by Kane
HAHA, I am thinking about pod casts . videos instead of written directions. The software has a white surrender flag that users can hit to get at those help videos.

We shall see, it is an arms race you know...build something idiot proof - and they build a better idiot.

Everything looks pretty awesome so far! If I can figure it out... anyone can!
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Yeah, sorry guys. Got super slammed at work, so I'm behind. But we are still working as hard as we can to get it all done ASAP.
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Super excited to see this baseline tune stuff in action.

Also very exciting to be a paying customer


Rock and roll.
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At least the mission made us famous, LOL...
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That's wild Kane.

But I hope you don't get in **** for posting those .. and I don't mean from our forum moderators


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