Daemos

Just wondering if Cobb had working x64 drivers for vista before I decide to upgrade to an x64 version of vista.

I couldn't find any on their site, but I didn't know if the installer comes with x64 drivers.

Thanks!


*EDIT*

http://forums.cobbtuning.com/forums/...ght=x64&page=9

Guess they don't =( maybe I will need to run a virtual XP box ugh that would suck...it's the last driver I need before I move to x64 =(

And they're telling people to use VMware...wow...that's kinda really disappointing, epically when x64 is the future of computing, will windows 7 even be available in 32-bit? Most modern box computers like Dells, HP, etc come with 64bit vista...

mysql

is there a point to 64bit vista?

Daemos

32-bit apps work just as fast, and if you get a 64-bit application it's MUCH faster than 32-bit vista...that and I can use more than 3 GB of ram. But overall you will notice an improvement in performance across the board just because windows can now use 64-bit extensions.

I have drivers for everything except for the cobb AP. Which I may just use VMware and throw in XP on there just for the AP.

That if you own a retail copy of 32-bit you can order 64-bit media for $10 from Microsoft and use the same key. OEM you need to obtain an OEM 64-bit disc but you can use your OEM key. =)

I can't think of any companies right now that don't offer 64-bit OS on some of their machines

Jedi54

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64 bit is super fast; works well for most gaming comps.

Fortunately my laptop still runs XP.

Daemos

Not even just for gaming, general computer use is much snappier =) my Tablet Pc is my primary computer, I have others in the house that run XP or 32-bit vista but they are my other family member's primary machines.

I was very skeptical since initial reports (from a long while ago) showed very moderate increases...but when I got to try out clean installs on same machines back to back, the difference was very noticeable.

mysql

32 bit means you can't address more than 4 gig of ram. You can get 64 gig of ram on 32 bit OS with processors w/ PAE (which is just about every processor built since 2000). In windows, consumer versions are limited to 4 gig. Server versions go to 8 - 64 gig.

By going with 64 bit, you're increasing your memory usage due to the pointer size increase. It doesn't make your applications much faster. Some will run slower.

On Linux, gains are typically 3%. Kinda like adding a CAI to the RX-8, your butt dyno won't be able to tell the difference.

So, does your laptop have more than 4 gig of ram?

Jedi54

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my laptop has 4gb, my desktop is about to have 16gbs of RAM.

mysql

here's mine.

Mem: 66012136k total, 60501872k used, 5510264k free, 2187420k buffers
Swap: 2031608k total, 1017304k used, 1014304k free, 10087476k cached

Linux sikorsky 2.6.18-92.1.10.el5 #1 SMP Tue Aug 5 07:42:41 EDT 2008 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

mysql

here's my new box.

Mem: 65881064k total, 1675960k used, 64205104k free, 157316k buffers
Swap: 2588664k total, 0k used, 2588664k free, 980908k cached

Linux ipm2 2.6.18-92.1.18.el5 #1 SMP Wed Nov 12 09:19:49 EST 2008 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

16 dual core 3.2ghz processors.

[root@ipm2 etc]# cat /proc/cpuinfo | sort | uniq -c | grep AMD
16 model name : Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 8224 SE
16 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD

nycgps

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that is true. But 64-bit also has more extension thats not possible with 32-bit based code.

PAE is just some pathetic attempt from Intel back in 2000, sometimes doesnt work(it gave me some problems) they just want to get people to go to their Itanium platform for more monopoly. Not saying x86 instructions are good, its some old **** from the 70s 80s. but there EPIC code ain't that superior either (In my opinion)

64-bit does use more memory (about double in some cases), some applications will run faster IF the creator made the right optimization.

Its not that hard to get 32-bit drivers to work in 64-bit platform. If they can open their code I can probably do it too

rotary.enthusiast

The problem with getting a 64-bit Vista driver is that is has to be WHQL certified (unless they changed that restriction since release).

64-bit doesn't really buy you anything significant unless you need more addressable memory, or more precise computations.

ShellDude

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the only way to remove the WHQL restriction is going through the stupid boot menu and it only works for that session. I looked into it a while back and eventually just fired up a 32bit VM out of frustration.

nycgps

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Yep, Before SP1 You can disable the 64-bit driver check.

but After SP1. like ShellDude said, only works for that session BUT some people add the line to the boot menu so it disable it automatically on every boot.

Daemos

K Just installed x64 Windows 7...now I really wish there was a 64-bit driver for the access port =( guess it's vmware and winxp =(

windows 7 >>>>> vista > xp

pking1122

Besides an updated task bar, what are the benefits? Have they addressed issue of hogging system resourses? Thats my biggest complaint (besides x64 drivers) about Vista. There are too many bullshit services that run in the background.

I was actually thinking Windows 7 was going to be like a national 'Mojave' experiment, but we'll see.

Daemos

Windows 7 runs faster than vista does, it does use much less system resources, but I never found vista to be slow either. The only ones I find that seem to complain that vista are slow are pre SP1 vista users on slower machines =/

A few people I know moved to windows 7, and even on older machines they've noticed quite a bit more speed.

the Benefits? It's free, you get to play around with a new OS for ~7.5 months, it's got better tablet pc support (which is important to me). Windows 7 is supposed to essentially be vista, but more efficient, more secure, faster, and more features =D. I'd have to ask my programming friends at MS what exactly they've changed, but it's quite cool I think =D

onefatsurfer

there's really not much reason not to go with a 64 bit os these days. are they even making win7 in 32 bit?

once 64 bit is standard there will be a huge performance benefit. same sort of thing when they went to multi-threaded processors, then multi core. the software writers just have to get used to optimizing their programs to use the new(well, its not new, but not ancient, really) system and things will get better.


...as an aside, it still boggles my mind that autocad doesn't take full advantage of multiple processing cores. what the heck??

Daemos

Windows 7 is STILL offered in 32-bit flavors...because believe it or not, I found that the offical MS 'send to one note' printer DOES NOT HAVE an x64 version and MS has no plans to do so.

Luckily there are freeware software printers that can accomplish the same task.

*sigh*

Shnifty

How long has vista 64 bit been out? I can't believe cobb doesn't have a driver yet..... FAIL.... let me just add another half an hour or so onto my project to get vmware