go ahead, yell scream and contradict all u want but i dont like it, some may love it but i think its garbage....i just searched on here and cobbs forums doin a little reading, trying to figure out why when i installed stage 1 my car ran like it was trying to haul a boat behind it...the other features are "neat" but thats it.... i have no experience with tuning so i dnt want to hear all these numbersand facts trying to show me that this does work but all the economy mode seems to do is set rev at 6800...i still get 22.3 mpg @60 mph weather or not im in economy mode or stock that was 10 miles to and from work AND YES I DID SEARCH BEFORE I POSTED ALL OF THIS AND BEFORE I BOUGHT IT it seemed like i good buy but can sombody please tell me why it makes my 8 run like a turd.....i just contacted cobb for a custom beta tune, we will see how that works.....and is there any way you can custom tune, i have a buddy of mine that does real good tuning and iv saw how hondata works and thats what i thought i was getting was something like that (when it came to custom tuning ) but i was wrong, i just kept hearing everybody post about custom tunes!!??......................................... ...................now that im done with my 9am pissed of rambling can anyone give me their opinion if i should sell the damn thing or is there something worth while that i dnt kno about with this cobb AP LIKE I SAID IM NOT CLAIMING TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT BESIDES I WANT A LIL MORE POWER AND SOMETIMES SAVE SUM GAS

 

Get lightweight normal size wheels

 

1st....spelling fail.

2nd...should have bought it from MM that way you would have got a custom tune by a rotary specialist.

3rd......this thread fails and so do you

 

Off the shelf Cobb maps run like trash its well known and people have definitely documented it on the site. If you wanted a true economy mode tune you should have purchased the MM cobb with that being said now that you probably dont want to spend more money to purchase his tuning service but thats definitely the one of the more favorable ways to get a good tune. The cobb unit directly from them and their stage 1 map is poop its very conservative because everyone's 8 runs different and has to accommodate them all. I know you said you did alot of research but there are definitely posts talking about cobbs stage 1 map and basically why you should invent your money elsewhere.

 

Get someone to actually tune it for you and your specific car.

 

Your headline doesn't go with your story, "I think" should preceed "Cobb....". I do give it to you on the story though...you are brutely honest and I think you've hit the big points and they mainly point back at your own mistakes. You bought an advanced tuning tool without doing quite enough research, didn't get a pro to tune it, don't know how to tune yourself, and are complaining (strike that...angry) because you wasted your money, or worse, you've made the car run worse than without the Cobb.

Some straight advice....get someone to tune it for you that actually knows the Cobb (not Honda stuff) or sell it (the Cobb) and if you don't like how your car runs, how it performs, or the MPG you get, sell it as well and get a different car ... but do more research on the car this time. Sounds like an 'sporty' economy car would be more to your liking.

 

brandini...i like my wheels...you dnt, point taken

mscamp02...its early and im not in the best of moods and idc about spelling, im not getting graded on this lol...and to me, COBB FAILS!

RX8YA, i kno this site has alot of OPINIONS so i just decided to try it out for myself. that was the only way for me to kno if i was a good product or not....how much does MM have the AP for tuned

 

Your writing skills are awful.

 

You're sounding like someone that would buy a legit turbo and just install it expecting it to perform right off the bat with no said knowledge how to tune it and not getting someone professional to do the job.

Buying a tuning product when you have no clue what you are doing is going to give you poor results. That's not an opinion, that's a fact

 

no, i love my car, i bought it bone stock and u can see i have put plenty of time into it. i just had a little extra cash and decided to try this "cobb AP thing " i can learn things very easily , i am a auto electronic installer formerly a mechanic with 2 years of formal training. so i decided to get it and learn it.....and honestly on this site if u post up stuff like i did u will get answers fast lol.....but i really figured u could do tuning on the computer straight out of the box and load it to the unit but i was WRONG WRONG WRONG, not denying that.......i guess i did more research str8 from cobb rather than on the forums and of course they will say what i want to hear and i believed them mainly because everybody talks so highly of cobb

 

...i don't think anyone should take that economy mode map or the Stage 1 map from Cobb seriously...

That being said, if you honestly did search, then I don't know how you missed the hundreds of posts saying "Get it professionally tuned". When it comes to "professionally tuned" in regards to the RX-8, there's only a few people who will do it with the Cobb - easiest would be MM (visit his website, www.mazdamaniac.com, unless you have one of the other guys as a local.

Heck, look at the engine tuning forum... he has a few threads there about engine tuning.

http://i can learn things very easil... learn it.....

Don't presume this. There are so many factors that go into tuning the 8. Sure, you might understand the fueling map to make small modifications on it - but you need to really understand the load maps, the MAF scale, and several other things that I would list if I could read AccessTuner at work right now.

In other words - proper tuning should be properly done. Learning it is great, just don't expect to get the same results the professionals get.

 

You dont need the MM Cobb just his service take a look at his site its something simple like mazdamaniac.com. I agree this site has its opinions but i would say 95 percent of the people here would agree cobb off the shelf maps suck check alll the post about it you will see people have the same feeling you do now about them. Good thing is u hopefully only paid 495 for y our cobb because of the price drop...........I hope.

 

my "local tuner" does know a good bit about rotaries in general, he had a rx7

 

Exactly my point I stated on my previous post.

People talk highly about the COBB only if they've gotten it tuned from someone who knows what they're doing. It sounds more like you skimmed researched, meaning briefly going through some comments and not thoroughly researching in detail.

 

Does not appear you did much research. If you do not want to pay someone to tune your car then sell it. Another option would be for you to do Racing Beat's PCM reflash.

 

no im not ..ok basically i bought it hoping to save some gas since i spend 400 a month filling up....and i decided to learn about the tuning...and i figured the stage one tune would be atleast OK but its not ...atleast in my UNTRAINED OPINION

 

never said i didnt want to pay somebody to tune it....i posted this...probably showing sum undirected frustration and looking for sum answers/ideas

 

Ok, if you want to learn about tuning that's great. I would suggest looking up threads done by MazdaManiac who offers online sessions on this to help get you started then. There's nothing wrong admitting you don't know anything about it and want to learn. **** I don't know anything about it and will eventually need to learn when the time comes to using the stuff.

 

i read all i could find about it, and like I previously stated ppl have their opinions so i decided to see for myself how bad the stage 1 tune was and how the economy mode was and from there i wanted to get info on further tuning...then i guess that is when i will figure out what im gin to do with it

 

Your research skills lead me to believe you will blow your engine if you attempt to tune it.

 

Damn......opinions......thats all they are

 

It's like going to a restaurant, ordering a burger, and yelling at the waitress for not giving you fries, a drink, and a salad.

The COBB base map is something to keep your car from exploding while a tuner sets the COBB up for your car. I can't recommend anyone besides MM for the service, either. Lots of people can say they are experienced with rotaries. Just owning an RX-7 doesn't mean ****, they are very complicated to tune. Your engine, though.

 

Fckin serious?

An opinion is a subjective statement or thought about an issue or topic, and is the result of emotion or interpretation of facts.

Sounds like what you're spitting out about the COBB is your OPINION.

Let's see..

Naïve is a French loanword (adjective, form of naïf) indicating having or showing a lack of experience, understanding or sophistication.

Sounds like you..

We're wasting our time answering your question. We are correct, your claims are opinions, and very naive. Grow up, read our answers, or blow your engine.

 

^ thats what I was thinking....just cuz he owns a rotary doesnt mean he can tune it.....I mean you own your 8 and dont know how to tune it

 

Look, most here are giving you proper advice based on years of people who've experienced with the COBB. Trust me, they're being nice and trying not to flame you for this including myself.

I gave you facts; you need a proper tuner to use this effectively. Others have given you facts based off people who've done what you have and gave the same response which is why they said if you researched thoroughly you would off understood this before buying it.

You have 2 choices, get someone who knows what they're doing with it to tune your car or sell it because you will not be able to do it yourself with no experience with tuning, the rotary and more importantly, the COBB. Those are the facts.