Cobb AP impressions and dynos
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Cobb AP impressions and dynos
I've read several of the Cobb Discussion thread, but I didn't see what I was looking for. And I did not read the entire thread since there's about 60 pages.
I was hoping to find people's opinions of the differences felt and other dyno results vs. what's on Cobb's site.
I was hoping to find people's opinions of the differences felt and other dyno results vs. what's on Cobb's site.
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Good idea on having a Dyno results thread. Feel free to kill this thread.
But it would be good to read some anecdotal opinions on what people think thus far. I checked the Cobb forums and there's really nothing there either. Going through 60 pages on the Discussion thread is too much, especially when the pages I looked at were mostly about fuel trims and other technical data.
But it would be good to read some anecdotal opinions on what people think thus far. I checked the Cobb forums and there's really nothing there either. Going through 60 pages on the Discussion thread is too much, especially when the pages I looked at were mostly about fuel trims and other technical data.
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I'll contribue to this on April 26th. I have a dyno day set up, 20 cars are scheduled, more then half with AP's.
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he might have been on a mustang dyno???
Razz: you did higher on a dynojet
Razz: you did higher on a dynojet
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It's just fuel and timing. Can the AP adjust fuel and timing? Of course. So of course the AP can do anything the RB does. In fact, you can get a custom map made for your car, instead of a generic map that your car has to adjust fuel trims for.
Furthermore, without a baseline dyno, saying someone has 180 whp means no gains is illogical. Some cars make 170, others make 190 without fuel management modifications.
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^^^ yup. No baseline = stupid conclusion.
I'll have some more definitive info after MM, CRH, and I dyno 20 cars in 3 weeks. stay tuned.
I'll have some more definitive info after MM, CRH, and I dyno 20 cars in 3 weeks. stay tuned.
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heh. How is your statement logical?
It's just fuel and timing. Can the AP adjust fuel and timing? Of course. So of course the AP can do anything the RB does. In fact, you can get a custom map made for your car, instead of a generic map that your car has to adjust fuel trims for.
Furthermore, without a baseline dyno, saying someone has 180 whp means no gains is illogical. Some cars make 170, others make 190 without fuel management modifications.
It's just fuel and timing. Can the AP adjust fuel and timing? Of course. So of course the AP can do anything the RB does. In fact, you can get a custom map made for your car, instead of a generic map that your car has to adjust fuel trims for.
Furthermore, without a baseline dyno, saying someone has 180 whp means no gains is illogical. Some cars make 170, others make 190 without fuel management modifications.
My reasoning:
Cobb states that on a close to stock RX8 you can expect close to 10whp. The AP is a great product, and offers tailored tunes for your car. It is perfect for FI, but much less of a value for NA. Team RX8 dynoed the RB flash and got 9whp. The RB flash costs $300 while preserving the cat converter and I dont have to constantly tinker with it(fuel trims). Will anyone get 20hp from tuning with an NA RX8, very doubtful. Only then would a $700 tuning product be worth the effort, risk, and aggrivation for an NA RX8.
Bottom Line for NA cars:
RB Flash: 9whp $300
Cobb: 10whp $700
Here is my Dyno prior to getting the RB flash which I will be ordering soon unless someone can post some Cobb AP dynos that can change my mind.
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My reasoning:
Cobb states that on a close to stock RX8 you can expect close to 10whp. The AP is a great product, and offers tailored tunes for your car. It is perfect for FI, but much less of a value for NA. Team RX8 dynoed the RB flash and got 9whp. The RB flash costs $300 while preserving the cat converter and I dont have to constantly tinker with it(fuel trims). Will anyone get 20hp from tuning with an NA RX8, very doubtful. Only then would a $700 tuning product be worth the effort, risk, and aggrivation for an NA RX8.
Bottom Line for NA cars:
RB Flash: 9whp $300
Cobb: 10whp $700
Here is my Dyno prior to getting the RB flash which I will be ordering soon unless someone can post some Cobb AP dynos that can change my mind.
Cobb states that on a close to stock RX8 you can expect close to 10whp. The AP is a great product, and offers tailored tunes for your car. It is perfect for FI, but much less of a value for NA. Team RX8 dynoed the RB flash and got 9whp. The RB flash costs $300 while preserving the cat converter and I dont have to constantly tinker with it(fuel trims). Will anyone get 20hp from tuning with an NA RX8, very doubtful. Only then would a $700 tuning product be worth the effort, risk, and aggrivation for an NA RX8.
Bottom Line for NA cars:
RB Flash: 9whp $300
Cobb: 10whp $700
Here is my Dyno prior to getting the RB flash which I will be ordering soon unless someone can post some Cobb AP dynos that can change my mind.
No it is cool no one is forcing you to get the AP if you don't see the positive effects it allows to give your car then you should not get it. When you ever want to adjust any thing on your RB flash have fun trying to do it. Get the RB flash and have fun not driving you car for a few days but when you get it I am sure you will be some what pleased.
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Bottom Line for NA cars:
RB Flash: 9whp $300
Cobb: 10whp $700
RB Flash: 9whp $300
Cobb: 10whp $700
Here is my Dyno prior to getting the RB flash which I will be ordering soon unless someone can post some Cobb AP dynos that can change my mind.
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No it is cool no one is forcing you to get the AP if you don't see the positive effects it allows to give your car then you should not get it. When you ever want to adjust any thing on your RB flash have fun trying to do it. Get the RB flash and have fun not driving you car for a few days but when you get it I am sure you will be some what pleased.
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Dont forget that the AP does more then just flash your ECU. Unlike the RB reflash, you can customize the tune with the AP, the OMP gets increased, the colling fans turn on earlier (how much is the mazsport cooling fan mod and how long does it take to install?) you can check and clear the CEL (how much does a mechanic charge?) You also get a race tune and a stock tune with 1 product, so if you ever remove your cat you do not have to pay another $300 for a reflash. There are a lot more benefits with the AP then I listed and I am very happy I got mine. Just like hitmann, I am not going to force you to get the AP, but if you think about it, it is a very good value and if you ever decide to go back to stock, you just reflash your car and you can sell your used AP and get a large percentage of money back. Try doing that with the RB reflash.
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We dyno'ed three cars yesterday. Flashwing's, mine and MM's. I don't have any of the charts. MM will have to post those. But from what I saw with the Cobb AP is an infinite ability to tune your car. MM said he has over 500 maps already. And I can picture having 10 to 20 per car or more.
The main thing is every car is different. Be it the car, the mods, the weather the altitude. What Cobb has done is provided a way to tune your car perfectly for your conditions. You can adjust AFR's every 100 RPM's if you want. Same with engine timing. Watching that on the dyno graphs yesterday made me a believer in what a fantastic unit the AP really is.
The main thing is every car is different. Be it the car, the mods, the weather the altitude. What Cobb has done is provided a way to tune your car perfectly for your conditions. You can adjust AFR's every 100 RPM's if you want. Same with engine timing. Watching that on the dyno graphs yesterday made me a believer in what a fantastic unit the AP really is.