Cobb AP impressions and dynos
04-05-2008, 10:47 PM
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no, don't post them. Posting it will destroy the mystery and suspense that has been building up.
What we need is for this to build up to a huge climax, then leave us with a cliff hanger, and a promise for part 2 in a few years.
What we need is for this to build up to a huge climax, then leave us with a cliff hanger, and a promise for part 2 in a few years.
04-05-2008, 10:52 PM
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04-09-2008, 03:32 PM
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^^^ correct. This isn't going to give any N/A cars a huge improvement in HP, rather it adresses many performance aspects (stft, ltft, afr, temps, etc) that can result in some additional HP and a better driving Renny!
OD: keep an eye on my SoCal Dyno thread.... we should have some very interesting findings in a few weeks. (20 cars in 1 day)
OD: keep an eye on my SoCal Dyno thread.... we should have some very interesting findings in a few weeks. (20 cars in 1 day)
04-09-2008, 03:33 PM
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The good thing I see about the AP for us NA folk is that as you have seen many individuals that are not 100% stock are seeing issues with the cobb stage 1 map, the AP allows us (MM) to recalibrate the maps to fix any discrepencies. I wonder if the same thing is happening to people with the RB flash that are not stock. If so how would they know it and how would they fix it? I saw some scary AFR #'s at WOT using cobb stage 1.
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04-09-2008, 08:53 PM
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Easy E beat me to the punch regarding the accessport. I am in the process of pulling some video of the operation of the AP to post up since I've seen nothing with the AP in action on the dyno.
MazdaManiac has my dyno results and I've left it up to him to post the results because he was the one supporting the dyno time and tuning. I will say that we performed a baseline tune and then used one of Mazdamaniac's generated maps that worked with my trims.
We ran an initial run with the stock programming, but the final OEM flash run we did as a baseline was more accurate to the car's true power.
Baseline run yielded approx 183 WHP. A pre-made tune yielded approx 194 to 195 WHP. This was at about 75 to 80 degrees F.
There's clearly room to go because there's additional specialized tuning that could be done on the car to yield more power. Still, for a pre-generated tune I was impressed. Mods on my car are the K&N Type 2, Cat back and test pipe, AP pulley, lightweight alternator and water pump pulleys.
This is certainly a device that NA people should look into. The ability to have your OMP kicked up a notch, adjust fan settings, kill CEL's and also the tuning is well worth the money. Ditch your CAT and you'll open up some opportunities for power.
MazdaManiac has my dyno results and I've left it up to him to post the results because he was the one supporting the dyno time and tuning. I will say that we performed a baseline tune and then used one of Mazdamaniac's generated maps that worked with my trims.
We ran an initial run with the stock programming, but the final OEM flash run we did as a baseline was more accurate to the car's true power.
Baseline run yielded approx 183 WHP. A pre-made tune yielded approx 194 to 195 WHP. This was at about 75 to 80 degrees F.
There's clearly room to go because there's additional specialized tuning that could be done on the car to yield more power. Still, for a pre-generated tune I was impressed. Mods on my car are the K&N Type 2, Cat back and test pipe, AP pulley, lightweight alternator and water pump pulleys.
This is certainly a device that NA people should look into. The ability to have your OMP kicked up a notch, adjust fan settings, kill CEL's and also the tuning is well worth the money. Ditch your CAT and you'll open up some opportunities for power.
04-09-2008, 09:23 PM
#33
We want Video Todd! Then we can watch Jeff hack up fur *****. 
For the NA the tuning parameters are so wide. You could make a map for every barometer, humidity and temperature change. Amazing the possibilities.
All hail the Access Port. Long live the Access Port.
For the NA the tuning parameters are so wide. You could make a map for every barometer, humidity and temperature change. Amazing the possibilities.
All hail the Access Port. Long live the Access Port.
04-09-2008, 11:01 PM
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Easy E beat me to the punch regarding the accessport. I am in the process of pulling some video of the operation of the AP to post up since I've seen nothing with the AP in action on the dyno.
MazdaManiac has my dyno results and I've left it up to him to post the results because he was the one supporting the dyno time and tuning. I will say that we performed a baseline tune and then used one of Mazdamaniac's generated maps that worked with my trims.
We ran an initial run with the stock programming, but the final OEM flash run we did as a baseline was more accurate to the car's true power.
Baseline run yielded approx 183 WHP. A pre-made tune yielded approx 194 to 195 WHP. This was at about 75 to 80 degrees F.
There's clearly room to go because there's additional specialized tuning that could be done on the car to yield more power. Still, for a pre-generated tune I was impressed. Mods on my car are the K&N Type 2, Cat back and test pipe, AP pulley, lightweight alternator and water pump pulleys.
This is certainly a device that NA people should look into. The ability to have your OMP kicked up a notch, adjust fan settings, kill CEL's and also the tuning is well worth the money. Ditch your CAT and you'll open up some opportunities for power.
MazdaManiac has my dyno results and I've left it up to him to post the results because he was the one supporting the dyno time and tuning. I will say that we performed a baseline tune and then used one of Mazdamaniac's generated maps that worked with my trims.
We ran an initial run with the stock programming, but the final OEM flash run we did as a baseline was more accurate to the car's true power.
Baseline run yielded approx 183 WHP. A pre-made tune yielded approx 194 to 195 WHP. This was at about 75 to 80 degrees F.
There's clearly room to go because there's additional specialized tuning that could be done on the car to yield more power. Still, for a pre-generated tune I was impressed. Mods on my car are the K&N Type 2, Cat back and test pipe, AP pulley, lightweight alternator and water pump pulleys.
This is certainly a device that NA people should look into. The ability to have your OMP kicked up a notch, adjust fan settings, kill CEL's and also the tuning is well worth the money. Ditch your CAT and you'll open up some opportunities for power.
04-09-2008, 11:17 PM
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I know I am having them made as we test. Being the only 4 port NA at this point in time to be tested on the dyno.
04-09-2008, 11:21 PM
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The tune was tweaked for injector sizing as we found that my injectors are smaller than the rated size. I guess there's a percentage of variance from the factory. In this case the maps were running much to rich.
I'm sure MM can go into more detail. The part I wish to push is I was told that there's still more tuning that could have taken place. I'm in the process of uploading video from that dyno run. It's nothing ground breaking but those who have not seen the AP in action get to see a few things...and of course a few jokes thrown in there as well.
I'm sure MM can go into more detail. The part I wish to push is I was told that there's still more tuning that could have taken place. I'm in the process of uploading video from that dyno run. It's nothing ground breaking but those who have not seen the AP in action get to see a few things...and of course a few jokes thrown in there as well.
04-09-2008, 11:33 PM
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Flashwing's tune was, essentially, 1_3a for the '05.
I played around with injector scaling, but didn't do any real tuning - I was working with limited time on the dyno (I was paying out-of-pocket for three cars for my own benefit). I was mainly interested in corroborating the known effects of 1_X and 1b_X on a know intake setup. This wasn't a tuning session.
Putting Easy's car on there was a two-fold operation: proof of concept on the A/T firmware (it works) and a bit of an experiment to see where his 30 HP went.
Unfortunately, It doesn't appear to have been stolen by bad tuning.
Putting my car on there was purely to verify the MAF scaling and injector staging.
None of this was for power information particularly.
Furthermore, I have specifically stated that increased power is an ancillary benefit of the AccessPORT and that reliable tuning with increased functionality is its primary benefit.
We will see if there is any power to be made on the various street applications in a few weeks.
I played around with injector scaling, but didn't do any real tuning - I was working with limited time on the dyno (I was paying out-of-pocket for three cars for my own benefit). I was mainly interested in corroborating the known effects of 1_X and 1b_X on a know intake setup. This wasn't a tuning session.
Putting Easy's car on there was a two-fold operation: proof of concept on the A/T firmware (it works) and a bit of an experiment to see where his 30 HP went.
Unfortunately, It doesn't appear to have been stolen by bad tuning.
Putting my car on there was purely to verify the MAF scaling and injector staging.
None of this was for power information particularly.
Furthermore, I have specifically stated that increased power is an ancillary benefit of the AccessPORT and that reliable tuning with increased functionality is its primary benefit.
We will see if there is any power to be made on the various street applications in a few weeks.
04-11-2008, 10:43 AM
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I apologize for misleading anyone by saying it was a tuning session. We did see an increase in power but as Jeff mentioned it wasn't the result of any real tuning, just using one of the flashes he provides.
I have included a video from that day so you can see the accessport in action. For anyone looking for visual proof or just curious to see it work feel free to check it out.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...44041718&hl=en
I have included a video from that day so you can see the accessport in action. For anyone looking for visual proof or just curious to see it work feel free to check it out.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...44041718&hl=en
05-06-2008, 01:59 PM
#43
I have a dyno, but the ignition was breaking up, so it doesn't show anything of note.
End of this month I'll have a new dyno run ... but it cannot be compared with previous runs to show "AccessPort improvements" because several things will have changed. So I don't know if I can help this thread much.
End of this month I'll have a new dyno run ... but it cannot be compared with previous runs to show "AccessPort improvements" because several things will have changed. So I don't know if I can help this thread much.
05-06-2008, 07:19 PM
#45
no, I sold those coils already. I don't mind getting my engine tuned, but having to also tune my coils is too much. If I had known this was the requirement, I wouldn't have purchased it to begin with.
05-06-2008, 08:42 PM
#46
Scott said the Dwell settings would take 5mins to change.
Is there is more to this? Cause if so I will go back to OEM coils also.
05-06-2008, 08:48 PM
#47
Yea, i am also wondering the same thing...
Turborx8,
have you ask MM to change the dwell setting for you?
I emailed him few days ago and have not heard back yet..
he's the most busiest man on earth, lol
Turborx8,
have you ask MM to change the dwell setting for you?
I emailed him few days ago and have not heard back yet..
he's the most busiest man on earth, lol
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05-06-2008, 10:54 PM
#48
Tailgaters beware
I hope the Ignition is not just something that N/A people will enjoy... If its to much of a pain to manage the fuel and the ignition dwell at every dyno tune I will have to abandon them as well once I get ready for my turbo.
I will miss them, in N/A they made a huge improvement.
I will miss them, in N/A they made a huge improvement.
