paulmasoner

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It was brought to my attention that the review thread I started in the Good/Bad Guy forum was misappropriately placed, since we/I am stating neither. This is the correct place to discuss, voice questions or concerns, and review Fluids AccessPORT tuning service.

Please keep this civil and leave out the underhanded comments. But do not hesitate to ask legitimate questions or post opinions concerning the service.

zoom44

thanks paul for putting it in the correct forum.

paulmasoner

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no prob zoom, thanks for addresing me concering its misplacement

alz0rz

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Competition is good, we need it in this niche community.

However after the Mazsport incident we also need honest vendors.

dannobre

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So now I guess we need to wait till someone actually has there car tuned so we can get some real feedback for this thread......

Flashwing

Paul thanks for posting this thread! I'm looking forward to the discussion and I welcome Fluid into the tuning market!

blackenedwings

*sits in the back of the room and keeps his mouth shut for once* /subscribed

chickenwafer

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This will be interesting

romycha1

Wow, this thread is full of fail as of right now...

Hopefully Fluid will post in here so this will actually become a discussion.

Bastage

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Why should they? They're being put on the defensive by people that will never need tuning from them anyway. I wouldn't if I were Fluid

Phil's 8

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Chances are slim that I would use them but **** happens. I would like to know if they are legitimate players in the game.

RK

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I'm sure it's at least partially legit. If Fluid screwed this up then people are just going to stop buying from him - and quickly.

I would love to have a service like he's offering but there's only so many rotary tuners out there and even fewer who know how to use the Cobb and have the software required.

If this is somebody using the pro-tuner software doesn't Cobb publish everyone with access to it? And you can't lock maps from RaceTuner, right? Fluid is saying they will be locked. I haven't looked at the thread in the vendors section since yesterday morning but he still hasn't described the actual tuning process either, right? IE. base maps, calibration, number of tunes, expiration of subscription, etc.

It shouldn't be that difficult to find out who he will have doing the tuning. Brice made it clear he's not doing it himself.

robrecht

He did say there would be base maps in the thread he deleted.

RK

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Here's a list of authorized RX8 e-tuners in Florida from Cobb:

Horsepower Logic/Limitless Performance AccessTUNER
583 105th Ave North
Unit #6
Royal Palm Beach, FL 33411
(561) 842-8333 Phone
(561) 793-5092 Fax
www.horsepowerlogic.com

Ramini Sports AccessTUNER
10000 NW 71 Place
Tamarac, FL 33321
(954) 226-1125 Phone

Here's the ones in Georgia:

Batlground Engineering AccessTUNER
1770 Atlanta Rd.
Smyrna, GA 30080
(770) 319-9605 Phone

Forged Performance
Nissan GT-R Tuner AccessTUNER/Dealer
498 Cobb Parkway South
Marietta, GA 30060
(770) 792-0202 Phone
www.forgedperformance.com


Subaru of Gwinnett AccessTUNER
2920 Satellite Blvd
Duluth, GA 30096
(678) 584-7251 Phone
www.sogperformance.com

Topspeed AccessTUNER/Dealer
2130 Brandon Trail
Alpharetta, GA 30004
(866) 947-7333 Phone
(678) 297-7779 Fax

www.topspeedsales.com

RK

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Didn't realize he deleted it.

Well in the new one he says he's working with Cobb. Since we know Cobb stops in occasionally it's not gonna be hard to check on it.

blackenedwings

Actually he was put on the defensive by people asking legitimate questions about a service they were actually interested in... this is just the fallout from that. If those of us who actually were considering the service got any answers this wouldn't have been an issue. Although I find it pretty telling that several people have started screaming "help help I'm being oppressed" as soon as Fluid started getting pressure to answer some questions that are honestly ridiculously basic like "Does the guy you have tuning know how to tune the goddamn car?"

09Factor

we have seen this before............

The more tuners we have that know how to tune the Rx-8 with the AP, it's a win-win.
Where is that popcorn bucket?

laythor

Brice needs to stop deleting threads.

bse50

^^ i agree, and anyway paying 700$ for the ap + 200$ for having an undisclosed tuner tune your car when you can have an access port for 700$ tuned by mazdamaniac is not even a deal to consider.

Flashwing

Dave is right in that the community as a whole can only benefit from having choices when it comes to services. MazdaManianc has had a lot of satisfied customers through his tuning process whether it be via email or even at dyno day events.

What is on display here is the old days of "Trust me" being accepted from vendors are gone. Vendors here on RX8 club can no longer get by with products and services without providing information that people want.

I think the questions being asked are fair and if I, myself, was to offer the same service I would expect inquiries like this.

So far, the list of questions seems to be:

1. What background/experience does the tuner(s) have with the RENESIS?
2. Will base calibrations be offered for data logging purposes?
3. What kinds of features can we expect with calibrations? (Fan speed, Oil metering etc.)
4. Aside from the 48 hour turn around, does the $295 cover a finished tune or is there a time limit? What costs are needed if changes are required or a copy of the tune is needed?

I would be thinking more long term than anything else. Getting a tune won't be an issue but down the road if you go turbo/nitrous/supercharged or do anything which might effect your air/fuel ratio you'll need a new tune.

HeavyMetal699

Some people would pay extra money to expedite things.

If you just installed a new FI kit and Jeff is backed up a bit and it'll take a week or 2 before he gets to your car, well you have a timebomb in your driveway until it gets tuned.

A 48 hour service is great for those who'd rather not wait. Time itself has value.

RK

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Absolutely. But the $300 service for people who do not have tunes with MM or who already had their script with MM expire is what he charges as well. If there is anything at all to the claims of faster turnaround and new tuning options (which is kinda hard to believe but anythings possible) then why wouldn't you consider it IF you knew what kind of quality to expect?

The last part is obviously the sticking point. Also if there are a set number of tunes, if this is a subscription service, or if you only get one tune. One locked tune for $300 is insane unless it's the head tuner for Mazda sitting over in Japan doing the work.

Razz1

Deleting threads or comments you don't like about your products, services or business is not good.

Implies you are unethical.

Perception can kill your business right away.

RK

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No it doesn't. It implies that he's overly sensitive about people posting in his forum with an agenda in an attempt to reduce his business.

And the hundreds (thousands) of transactions that they've done so far with few complaints from actual customers implies that he is a good vendor.

But that's what good guy/bad guy forums are for so try to leave it over there. I doubt anybody's reading this thread who didn't follow the GG/BG thread a bit back. And hopefully everyone understands that just because you're a good vendor doesn't mean you're a good tuner.

And I'm sure if he starts to act like bad vendors around here it'll be brought to the forefront of the forum immediately and amplified 3x due to the reasons some people have for not dealing with him.

zoom44

if you have a store and someone is being unruly or obnoxius in your store and its disrupting your customers and taking time away from them and you get rid of that person- does that imply you are unethical?


we should just move this to the lounge and let it be debated endlessly there. and then leave this for actual info and questions directly about the tuning service