Oil Metering Pump Tuning with Interceptor-X/Microtech
09-08-2009, 02:43 AM
#51
Did you come here to ask for some informations or to teach us how to tune?
Reading your posts it sounds like you're just encouraging the use of the microtech without really asking for some help.
Now again, since your poor customer could turn out to be an unfortunate victim of some thread mayhem: what do you need? Provided that the microtech is a pretty primitive ecu, how wold you like to reach your goals?
This could help giving plain answers.
Giorgio
Reading your posts it sounds like you're just encouraging the use of the microtech without really asking for some help.
Now again, since your poor customer could turn out to be an unfortunate victim of some thread mayhem: what do you need? Provided that the microtech is a pretty primitive ecu, how wold you like to reach your goals?
This could help giving plain answers.
Giorgio
09-08-2009, 09:06 AM
#52
Ok I need to clear some things up here.
First of all, 284rwhp is not that far from 300rwhp.
Also, if you keep reading that thread you linked, Brettus gave me a suggestion in order to work the kinks out of my current setup. This was something I over looked and is not Brice's fault. So I apologize if it looked like I felt I got ripped off. I probably should not have worded things that way to begin with, just some frustration coming thru in my post. I've had so many headaches with this car in the past year because of FI. In fact I have edited that post, as it was not accurate.
The greddy actuator is garbage for an upgraded turbo. Plain and simple. The upgraded turbo Brice offers is a decent alternative over the stock unit. According to Bryan at BNR it is a great compressor wheel. However the wg actuator needs work, which again I overlooked and was not his fault.
Brice, again, I apologize for that post. It was my bad since I didn't research fully.
sorry for the threadjack
First of all, 284rwhp is not that far from 300rwhp.
Also, if you keep reading that thread you linked, Brettus gave me a suggestion in order to work the kinks out of my current setup. This was something I over looked and is not Brice's fault. So I apologize if it looked like I felt I got ripped off. I probably should not have worded things that way to begin with, just some frustration coming thru in my post. I've had so many headaches with this car in the past year because of FI. In fact I have edited that post, as it was not accurate.
The greddy actuator is garbage for an upgraded turbo. Plain and simple. The upgraded turbo Brice offers is a decent alternative over the stock unit. According to Bryan at BNR it is a great compressor wheel. However the wg actuator needs work, which again I overlooked and was not his fault.
Brice, again, I apologize for that post. It was my bad since I didn't research fully.
sorry for the threadjack
All good
Zeon if anyone is curious, really never posted much but yeah really shitty situation for what happened. But things like that happen I guess.
09-08-2009, 10:11 AM
#54
Yes, persistant ignorance is something hard to fight. I guess that keeping a standpoint in tuning would be like keeping one in medicine... technology does change and calling something like the stock ecu "not advanced" looks much like talking about the 8bit rx7 ecus.
09-08-2009, 11:00 AM
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Did you come here to ask for some informations or to teach us how to tune?
Reading your posts it sounds like you're just encouraging the use of the microtech without really asking for some help.
Now again, since your poor customer could turn out to be an unfortunate victim of some thread mayhem: what do you need? Provided that the microtech is a pretty primitive ecu, how wold you like to reach your goals?
This could help giving plain answers.
Giorgio
Reading your posts it sounds like you're just encouraging the use of the microtech without really asking for some help.
Now again, since your poor customer could turn out to be an unfortunate victim of some thread mayhem: what do you need? Provided that the microtech is a pretty primitive ecu, how wold you like to reach your goals?
This could help giving plain answers.
Giorgio
Yes, the Microtech is probably one of the most simple standalones out there but it is preferred by many tuners out there. It is especially often used in 20b applications.
Anyway, I already got what I needed out of this thread on the first page. Everything after has just been completely off-topic and full of biased opinions. Would appreciate if the bickering stopped as well.
thewird
09-08-2009, 11:05 AM
#56
I'm not encouraging anyone to use the Microtech ECU's. It was merely suggested that reflashing the stock ECU is the BEST tuning method when in actuality it really isn't as that highly depends on application. Still running an N/A RX-8, sure reflashing would probably be the best way to go about it. Add turbo and looking for a high performance, it no longer becomes the best method.
Yes, the Microtech is probably one of the most simple standalones out there but it is preferred by many tuners out there. It is especially often used in 20b applications.
Anyway, I already got what I needed out of this thread on the first page. Everything after has just been completely off-topic and full of biased opinions. Would appreciate if the bickering stopped as well.
thewird
Yes, the Microtech is probably one of the most simple standalones out there but it is preferred by many tuners out there. It is especially often used in 20b applications.
Anyway, I already got what I needed out of this thread on the first page. Everything after has just been completely off-topic and full of biased opinions. Would appreciate if the bickering stopped as well.
thewird
09-08-2009, 11:06 AM
#57
I really hope that you aren't suggesting that a 16x16 or even 32x32 fuel table referenced to MAP is "higher resolution" than a fuel table for each gear, overlayed by a Ve table for the motor, overlayed by an absolute throttle position table, overlayed by tables for IAT, ECT and BARO, overlayed by an RPM delta table, all referenced to absolute air mass.
09-08-2009, 11:09 AM
#58
And that would be you.
I really hope that you aren't suggesting that a 16x16 or even 32x32 fuel table referenced to MAP is "higher resolution" than a fuel table for each gear, overlayed by a Ve table for the motor, overlayed by an absolute throttle position table, overlayed by tables for IAT, ECT and BARO, overlayed by an RPM delta table, all referenced to absolute air mass.
I really hope that you aren't suggesting that a 16x16 or even 32x32 fuel table referenced to MAP is "higher resolution" than a fuel table for each gear, overlayed by a Ve table for the motor, overlayed by an absolute throttle position table, overlayed by tables for IAT, ECT and BARO, overlayed by an RPM delta table, all referenced to absolute air mass.
MM, I am ready to go back to a Tascam 488 MkII. Are you?
09-08-2009, 11:14 AM
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I am no longer responding to this thread unless its something about oil metering.
edit: I realized I'm getting caught up in your bickering, so only going to care about direct technical information.
thewird
edit: I realized I'm getting caught up in your bickering, so only going to care about direct technical information.
thewird
Last edited by thewird; 09-08-2009 at 11:23 AM.
09-08-2009, 11:15 AM
#60
I'm not encouraging anyone to use the Microtech ECU's. It was merely suggested that reflashing the stock ECU is the BEST tuning method when in actuality it really isn't as that highly depends on application. Still running an N/A RX-8, sure reflashing would probably be the best way to go about it. Add turbo and looking for a high performance, it no longer becomes the best method.
Yes, the Microtech is probably one of the most simple standalones out there but it is preferred by many tuners out there. It is especially often used in 20b applications.
Anyway, I already got what I needed out of this thread on the first page. Everything after has just been completely off-topic and full of biased opinions. Would appreciate if the bickering stopped as well.
thewird
Yes, the Microtech is probably one of the most simple standalones out there but it is preferred by many tuners out there. It is especially often used in 20b applications.
Anyway, I already got what I needed out of this thread on the first page. Everything after has just been completely off-topic and full of biased opinions. Would appreciate if the bickering stopped as well.
thewird
Add a turbo with a properly mounted MAF and the stock ecu can handle it. For sure you can't scale the MAF up to infinite but up to today there's probably no system topping over the MAF's capabilites.
I think that the first Standalone comparable to our stock ecu is the motec m600 with some add-ons. It would be a fair battle between the two imho.
The problem is that the discussion got trapped in "general" for this car while you were probably referring to your kit (esmeril), already well known for not being that much maf friendly because of the maf's location!
Saying that the accessport or any other stock ecu flasher is junk just because in your configuration is not optimal is not fair.
Said that, i will use an accessport to tune my car with a pretty good turbo as well and believe me i've done my homework!
Here, searching a bit, you can find some screenshot of the Hymee's protuner. That could give you a base idea of what the stock ecu can handle.
09-08-2009, 11:42 AM
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09-09-2009, 12:58 AM
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09-09-2009, 01:36 AM
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I'd hope for a different reason then your suggesting though. 
I'm fairly confident that the Microtech can control the temperature changes correctly as the AIT sensor seems to respond pretty well to temperature change. I've been taking it home so have experienced both hot and cold weather as well as a really humid day we had today. A computer will only perform as good as what you tell it to do. Anyway, we will see, the car should be done this week.
thewird
I'm fairly confident that the Microtech can control the temperature changes correctly as the AIT sensor seems to respond pretty well to temperature change. I've been taking it home so have experienced both hot and cold weather as well as a really humid day we had today. A computer will only perform as good as what you tell it to do. Anyway, we will see, the car should be done this week.
thewird
09-09-2009, 01:54 AM
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09-09-2009, 02:15 AM
#72
Just stupid rich everywhere. Especially in cruise, idle and transition.
Essentially, if you set the idle to anything leaner than 12.7:1, it won't idle once the baro, ambient temp or humidity changes.
The IAT table doesn't have nearly the granularity to be useful and the fixed data points are too far apart.
Same goes for ECT.
09-09-2009, 10:54 AM
#74
Let's put it this way; if you are able to get the Microtech to work with the RX-8 in a fashion other than what MazdaManiac describes either you are a WAY better tuner than he and Scott Glassburn or Mazsport fucked up the Microtech when they modified it and sold it as the "Interceptor-X".
That's how it has been for years around here and if you can do better than you will have a LOT of customers coming your way for new Microtech/Int-X tunes and the rest of us shall applaud and support you.
That's how it has been for years around here and if you can do better than you will have a LOT of customers coming your way for new Microtech/Int-X tunes and the rest of us shall applaud and support you.