Open Source Naturally Aspirated Performance Tune File
04-03-2008, 10:54 AM
#203
You shouldn't be scared. I'm not Moon. lol
Looking at them and knowingly publishing their contents publicly are two different things.
Whether or not that graph is part of one of my calibrations, you believe it is, so you are admitting to knowingly violating copyright law.
Whether or not that graph is part of one of my calibrations, you believe it is, so you are admitting to knowingly violating copyright law.
04-03-2008, 11:05 AM
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Sorry, not 'nuff said on the subject. I've looked at the target Lambda tables. They were leaner than I would set them in my own personal tuning. The car had trim when it arrived (see logs) and this trim was left in place (and is not affected by changing high load high rpm Lambda table targets). The cars ran lean because they were told to run lean. Any talk of fuel pumps not being up to the task or trims not building are, in my humble opinion, just a smoke screen used to burry a mistake.
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If you are going to ship something, you either have a method to verify the installation or you go conservative. This is my opinion and is confirmed by my observations of professional tuners.
Again, these are my personal opinions and not stated fact. I do not begin to pretend to have all the answers.
Sorry, not 'nuff said on the subject. I've looked at the target Lambda tables. They were leaner than I would set them in my own personal tuning. The car had trim when it arrived (see logs) and this trim was left in place (and is not affected by changing high load high rpm Lambda table targets). The cars ran lean because they were told to run lean. Any talk of fuel pumps not being up to the task or trims not building are, in my humble opinion, just a smoke screen used to burry a mistake.
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If you are going to ship something, you either have a method to verify the installation or you go conservative. This is my opinion and is confirmed by my observations of professional tuners.
Again, these are my personal opinions and not stated fact. I do not begin to pretend to have all the answers.
See how it just might be possible that if you adjust the maps at all to go leaner my car would run super lean like it did???
I had no methods to verify what was going on? I went WOT the first time, saw a 14 pop up at 7k rpms on the AP screen in real time and immediately aborted as something was wrong. I had immediate feedback, not going through a potentially damaging run completely and going back to my computer to see what happened after the fact (which I did eventually anyway just to verify things for the good of the community).
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04-03-2008, 12:18 PM
#207
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still thinking about that jeff as i am looking at 2 sides of the coin. One- I have knowingly posted Mazda material here without regret or worry because i consider it news and on the other we have deleted links to known copyright violations by individual posting up manuals etc.
im also not sure how a fancy graph of logged data violates your copyright to your files
04-03-2008, 12:31 PM
#208
The data contained in this PCM flash is the property of MazdaManiac and is licensed for single use ONLY. No portion of this PCM calibration may be copied, transported, permutated, decompiled or adapted for any other use without the expressed written consent of MazdaManiac. All rights reserved. ©2008 Jeff Abrams for MazdaManiac.com
Its not "logged" data - its an actual graph of a fuel table.
Pretty simple, really.
Now, whether or not what he posted is actually protected material could be questioned since I will not confirm nor deny that it is part of one of my calibrations, but he admitted that he got the data from a tune that he believes is mine (or Cobb's), so he is admitting to a violation of Federal law.
04-03-2008, 12:40 PM
#212
Well, no you can't.
If you imply that a program/image/recording/etc is the property of another, it is the same thing as an actual violation.
If I recorded my own version of "Walk Like an Egyptian" and then claimed that it was actually the Bangles on the recording, I would be violating the law the same way as if I was actually redistributing the actual original recording.
Doesn't even address the slander aspect of the problem.
If you imply that a program/image/recording/etc is the property of another, it is the same thing as an actual violation.
If I recorded my own version of "Walk Like an Egyptian" and then claimed that it was actually the Bangles on the recording, I would be violating the law the same way as if I was actually redistributing the actual original recording.
Doesn't even address the slander aspect of the problem.
04-03-2008, 12:43 PM
#213
still thinking about that jeff as i am looking at 2 sides of the coin. One- I have knowingly posted Mazda material here without regret or worry because i consider it news and on the other we have deleted links to known copyright violations by individual posting up manuals etc.
im also not sure how a fancy graph of logged data violates your copyright to your files
im also not sure how a fancy graph of logged data violates your copyright to your files
How does posting people's address agree with forum rules? Mod, please remove it.
Heat in kitchen too hot if moderators find this type of behavior acceptable.
By the way, the view is nice from the back yard........................
04-03-2008, 12:47 PM
#214
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i already removed your address Bill.
Understand that i dont agree with Jeff's policy of locking up his tunes BUT
the end user AGREED to those terms when they used the AP from Jeff and is bound by them. and you are the one that suggested you were posting his file info
Understand that i dont agree with Jeff's policy of locking up his tunes BUT
the end user AGREED to those terms when they used the AP from Jeff and is bound by them. and you are the one that suggested you were posting his file info
04-03-2008, 12:47 PM
#215
You claimed that the plot came from one of mine, so yes - you are posting my files if that is where you said you got it from.
And, apparently, the "one" is mine as far as you are concerned.
Nope. Copyright violation. Should have read the notice.
It is public information, BTW. Please confirm it so I can send you the paperwork.
It is public information, BTW. Please confirm it so I can send you the paperwork.
04-03-2008, 01:05 PM
#216
Understood and thank you. It just bugs me so much when I read one thing and I KNOW the opposite is true.
Heat still too hot for me, I am gone. Thanks again for the address thing.
04-03-2008, 01:55 PM
#218
The "Walk Like an Egyptian" analogy doesn't fit the way it's presented. A better representation would be to say that Bill heard MM's recording of the song and shared with other people how god-awful the recording sounded, and that he thought Susanna Hoffs was much prettier than Jeff.
No copyright violation there.
I met Bill months before Pettit started using the EFI Dude's flashing capabilities. What I immediately learned about him is that he's a tinkerer. He lives for this stuff. All he's trying to do here is learn more, and share what he's learned with other people. If he can help a friend along the way by showing off this EFI Dude product, SO the !@#$ what.
Others live for starting bullshit. That's why you'll always see certain people posting in threads like these (Pettit threads included) when their only business in posting their is to criticize other people's work and pat themselves on the back. Posting people's public addresses is pretty !@#$ing lame too if you ask me, but it's what you should expect from those types of people.
BTW, to get back on topic, I logged the entire trip back from Palm Beach (100+ miles) after the dyno-tune last week and in mixed driving styles (cruise control, WOT etc) the most LTFT I built up was 2.04, and it eventually went back to 0. The car also feels a little more responsive, but it was pretty responsive before so it could just be my imagination.
No copyright violation there.
I met Bill months before Pettit started using the EFI Dude's flashing capabilities. What I immediately learned about him is that he's a tinkerer. He lives for this stuff. All he's trying to do here is learn more, and share what he's learned with other people. If he can help a friend along the way by showing off this EFI Dude product, SO the !@#$ what.
Others live for starting bullshit. That's why you'll always see certain people posting in threads like these (Pettit threads included) when their only business in posting their is to criticize other people's work and pat themselves on the back. Posting people's public addresses is pretty !@#$ing lame too if you ask me, but it's what you should expect from those types of people.
BTW, to get back on topic, I logged the entire trip back from Palm Beach (100+ miles) after the dyno-tune last week and in mixed driving styles (cruise control, WOT etc) the most LTFT I built up was 2.04, and it eventually went back to 0. The car also feels a little more responsive, but it was pretty responsive before so it could just be my imagination.
04-03-2008, 03:30 PM
#219
Cheers,
Hymee.
04-03-2008, 04:26 PM
#221
With respect, If you don't know how it works, you either need to purchase the specs and learn for yourself, like I have over the last 5 years, or don't argue/ask about it here. Otherwise you are just doing what you (wrongly) accuse Lola of doing.
Cheers,
Hymee.
04-03-2008, 04:34 PM
#222
It is a bus, not a queue. I cannot post the SAE or ISO specs that I have legally obtained (by purchasing from the relevant bodies), otherwise I would be violating copyright law.
With respect, If you don't know how it works, you either need to purchase the specs and learn for yourself, like I have over the last 5 years, or don't argue/ask about it here. Otherwise you are just doing what you (wrongly) accuse Lola of doing.
With respect, If you don't know how it works, you either need to purchase the specs and learn for yourself, like I have over the last 5 years, or don't argue/ask about it here. Otherwise you are just doing what you (wrongly) accuse Lola of doing.
Ultimately, it doesn't really matter, does it?
But you are right - posting SAE papers is illegal. I didn't realize I was asking you to do that, but I guess that might be the only way to cogently explain it if you are not capable of doing so in your own words. Knowing and understanding are miles apart.
If this were even remotely like what Lola was doing, I'd be asking you to provide me with schematics of what you have built to handle the CAN bus.
I wouldn't do that because it is an unrealistic expectation.
I understand that you are in love with Bill and that's OK - you are both more or less in the same boat.
But there really isn't anything to gain on your part by acting so openly hostile.
But that is up to you. I've accorded you as much respect as you've earned. If you feel otherwise then carry on.
I can watch you melt down with just as much glee as I felt in Bill's case.
04-03-2008, 04:54 PM
#224
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can't we all just get along??? (sorry, couldn't resist the Rodney King joke)