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Old 04-03-2008 | 01:02 PM
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Old 04-03-2008 | 01:04 PM
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Old 04-03-2008 | 01:37 PM
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Stupid Tuning Software Tricks

Can your tuning software do tricks?

Old 04-03-2008 | 05:51 PM
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Yes.
Old 04-03-2008 | 05:59 PM
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Yes.
So, let us see!
Old 04-03-2008 | 06:00 PM
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I don't think the comparison the EFIDude logger is relevant or fair, as there is no screen shots of any AP logger functionality.

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Old 04-03-2008 | 06:15 PM
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The AP logger generates a CSV file. It contains any of the CAN outputs plus anything your wide-band of choice can generate over its serial bus.
My LM-1 spits out a ton of real time data and its mixed in with the DLC output.

So, its not all nifty and graphical. Which, of course, is more useful for actually using that data than a dashboard.
The data can be immediately loaded into an Excel spreadsheet for analysis, graphing and comparison.
However, it also has a graphical dashboard that shows the same stuff, so you get both.

I could post up a picture of that if it makes you feel more happy.

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Old 04-03-2008 | 06:19 PM
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Old 04-03-2008 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
yes please
OK.

Here is the dashboard:



The selection list:



A log as shown in the software with active table interaction:



A simple Excel graph made with the logger output:

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Old 04-03-2008 | 07:05 PM
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Does the LM1 do all the "other" logging? You mentioned the AP spits out only one of the CAN PIDs.

Is the LM1 using other sensors, or the OEM sensors via CAN?

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Old 04-03-2008 | 07:15 PM
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No. The AccessPORT software can log ALL of the CAN PIDs at the same time. Its only the AccessPORT itself that is limited to one display at a time.
The LM-1 has a bunch of aux inputs that can grab whatever, but I only get manifold pressure and ambient temperature that way at the moment.

EDIT - Oh, I see my typo. I deleted the "one" I had put there. Sorry.

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Old 04-03-2008 | 07:35 PM
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Oh, another question -

Can the Hymee, EFID or Harrison do real-time tuning?
Old 04-03-2008 | 07:42 PM
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my understanding from Cobb was that it cannot at this time either- has that changed?
Old 04-03-2008 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
my understanding from Cobb was that it cannot at this time either- has that changed?
Its an existing feature of the software. However, its disabled right now, but the formal release will have it activated.
I've got them working on other more pressing issues at the moment (like the bugs in the A/T software and the occasional CEL).

It'll probably get turned on in the next month or two.

It already works in the other versions of the software.
Old 04-03-2008 | 10:20 PM
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Good stuff Jeff.

Nice to see some meat; how does it give fuel? %, Duration or both? I know that it doesn't show the individual ones; I am trying to incorporate it - see my thread for details.
Old 04-04-2008 | 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Kane
Nice to see some meat; how does it give fuel? %, Duration or both? I know that it doesn't show the individual ones; I am trying to incorporate it - see my thread for details.
You get no feedback, really.
You have the "injector duration" value, but since the injectors are staged, you have no way of knowing what that means.

The fuel tables simply list the desired lambda. You just have to know what will actually come out of the tailpipe when you request that lambda since they are often completely unrelated.
Old 04-04-2008 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Its an existing feature of the software. However, its disabled right now, but the formal release will have it activated.
I've got them working on other more pressing issues at the moment (like the bugs in the A/T software and the occasional CEL).

It'll probably get turned on in the next month or two.

It already works in the other versions of the software.

oh is this the kind where you can make changes on the fly BUT they revert when the unit is unplugged?
Old 04-04-2008 | 12:22 PM
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Why so much hate for Hymee? I've seen his product and can vouch for it. I don't have an AccessPort but from what I've seen in this thread Hymee's will be as least as good if not better.
Old 04-04-2008 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
oh is this the kind where you can make changes on the fly BUT they revert when the unit is unplugged?
Sort of. The changes are made on the fly and saved as a calibration which you then flash when you are satisfied.

Originally Posted by Rootski
Why so much hate for Hymee? I've seen his product and can vouch for it. I don't have an AccessPort but from what I've seen in this thread Hymee's will be as least as good if not better.
No hate whatsoever.

I have the sCANalyzer and it is first-class.

My point is merely that he is taking pot-shots at the existing solution without having anything to show for his own efforts as yet.
Furthermore, he was determined to defend the EFID in the same manner and it is irrational.
Not to mention that the arguments were mostly aimed at me rather than the product which is equally irrational.
Old 04-04-2008 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Sort of. The changes are made on the fly and saved as a calibration which you then flash when you are satisfied.


got it . thanks
Old 04-04-2008 | 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
You get no feedback, really.
You have the "injector duration" value, but since the injectors are staged, you have no way of knowing what that means.

The fuel tables simply list the desired lambda. You just have to know what will actually come out of the tailpipe when you request that lambda since they are often completely unrelated.
Injector Duration; is fine - provided they are ganged (ie 6ms duration = 6 ms on any injector that is currently firing....)
Old 04-05-2008 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Kane
Injector Duration; is fine - provided they are ganged (ie 6ms duration = 6 ms on any injector that is currently firing....)
No. Its 6ms on the primary. Then, if the secondary starts firing at 3ms and the primary goes to 4ms, it will read 7ms.
11ms could mean any combination of the three injectors.
Old 04-05-2008 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
No. Its 6ms on the primary. Then, if the secondary starts firing at 3ms and the primary goes to 4ms, it will read 7ms.
11ms could mean any combination of the three injectors.
It goes back to rules; if there are rules about staging; and I know what they are - then I can work with it no problem. Can you update the software thread with the staging system used by the PCM?
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