syntrix

And on canzoomer's response:

AMEX is the highest percentage anywhere out of them all. It sucks for business, but if that's the only card a customer has, then it's better than nothing. Some places even charge an extra 2-3% for amex handling!!!!

hogcar

Answer the question where are the results??? I figured
I should post over here so you would STOP telling me
about all of the missed posts that I need to read.
I need to start selling a mystery product and get several
testimonials of support, then I could accept a ton of
orders and collect the money before posting real world
results. Racing Beat had a Mazda rx8 well before they
were being sold. Don't you think they have the r&d to
develop these products or could it be that there is no
free lunch and that their reputation would be hurt
if they sold products that were not as advertised?

syntrix

hogcar, tone it down.

I posted links to when the final dyno testing is coming out, and also to why there is no gtech results (hello.... it's called snow).

Click the linky and try to read.

Omicron

Hogcar, this sounds suspiciously like a troll post. If you have legitimate questions, you'd be better served to ask them politely, instead of coming out swinging.

Sorry to say this, but if you want info on this mod, you need to read the histories. There is far too much info to summarize it all for you because you "demand" it.

As for your results question, just a few posts up it was stated clearly that Canzoomer's dyno results will be posted soon. If you want to wait for them, please do so.

If on the other hand you are trolling and looking for a fight, then you can consider this a polite warning. Thanks.

hogcar

#1 I have no idea what a troll post is
#2 I did not "come out swinging" I only asked the same
questions several others are asking. (SDFLY)
#3 I told you I have read the posts I spend a great
deal of time reading the posts not commenting on them.
#4 I am a well educated person please do not patronize
me with... Click the linky and try to read.

mcballz13

I would like to have one installed in the spring... How do I order and when should go about doing this to have it ready for warmer weather???

Sin

Too close to Christams to be pissy

RX8 fever

Hogcar is right. He is not thrashing the board. I also read all the threads and it doesnt do anything to take away the uncertainty.
People are asking questions to Canzoomer's (price increase,testing etc) and he doesnt respond. Well he just responded to a question about where the piggyback connects to, but he doesnt want to answer anything else.
It is not about trolls, is about consumers tired of being taken advantage of. If there is a price for a product, you must know exactly what you are paying for. It is not enough only by comments of few people who had tested the unit with Him.

Genom

This is the first time cz hasnt replied and we know they have had bad weather, as well as the fact that he runs another business. Wether you order the unit now or after more info gets posted, however, is YOUR own choice.

Please dont be so patronizing and assume epople here are just flinging money at someone. If you really had been reading all the posts for a while, you would a) Know what a troll is and b) Seen that in more than 3 months of saga this is the first time Maurice didnt reply immmediatly to a question. Give they guy some time ok? EVERYTHING he has said has happened usually a week or so late.

Speed-ER doc

CZ says he has enough orders to keep him busy for the next few weeks whether he posts dynos or not, just based on his apparent knowledge of the system and his straightforward answers to everyone's questions.

Anytime you make a transaction you are taking a chance. He has put a lot of work into this gizmo, with a seemingly small profit margin. I recommend we cut him some slack and appreciate his efforts.

By the way, CZ, it is 70 degrees and sunny here if you need a warm weather tester! You have my info.

RX-8 friend

Well, Canzoomer is rather busy. We were working late on Wednesday and Thursday nights trying to get the "ABS fooler" working. He also has a high end computer buisness to run. Not much time to answer 180+ e-mails per day on just the car stuff.

I just posted elsewhere and will repeat it here. He is frustrated with the delays just as you are. Last night he managed to get some runs in (temps up to +2 C with clean dry roads). I'll let him post what he is comfortable with (some would claim whatever looks good) but from what he told me, he's close to stock 3rd gen territory in 1/4 mile times. Oh, and he's very happy and relieved he got in some runs.

As for the comments re consumers being taken advantage of, he has not taken any money yet as far as I know, because he isn't ready just yet to ship product. Please advise who is being taken advantage of. There are inevitable delays this time of year receiving parts, getting work done to prepare parts, etc. Be patient, the modules will be ready to ship very soon. So far the delays have greatly improved the product. From something you had to run cables out of the ECU box and into the cab to a device you just plug in series with the ECU and put in the ECU box is quite an advance in ease of customer installation. Also, the prototypes on the road are so far proving the safety and effectiveness of this mod. The longer they are out there before shipping, the better you should feel about the mod.

r0tor

iTrader: (1)

I'd also like some info on these 2 things...

Lock & Load

Maurice (Canzoomer)

Most of the forum members who have entrusted you with the stage1kit and ordered from you have total utter faith in your product and you as a person of Highest repute, its only a few COWBOYS who shot from the hip and dont think before they act , ignore those f#$%wits and carry on your excellent work ,

You and your team have 99.9% support from forum members who are patient and ready to wait for your shipping and dyno results realizing the magnitude of your task .

By the way its a sunny 28 degrees celcious here on the sunny warm gold coast , as i swim and play with my family by the beach i will keep some warm thoughts for you poor guys in that freakkin freezing temperature.

Keep up the excellent work , "dont worry be happy".

MICHAEL

canzoomer

A troll is where people say things that are designed to be provocative and argumentative beyond a reasonable level.

The tone of your postings was a bit harsh, and some take it more seriously than is needed. I am not too worried about it.

Thanks for reading the posts. i know it is a lot, and over a long time. I started this as a personal experiment to make my RX-8 what it was supposed to be, and it grew into a bit of a monster.
Now I am a bit stretched doing this in my spare time, while running my business at teh same time..

I have about a quarter of a million dollars at stake in this right now, and have to set some priorities.

Right now the main one is to make sure that what we are selling is what we advertised, pleases people, works, and is safe to install and use.

Secondly we have to build and deliver.
Thirdly, I have to produce some more data for those who are asking for it.

I will certainly provide this, but it simply is not the highest priority item on my list at this moment.

Even so, I am still actively working on those matters.
To wit, I spent the last two nights up late doing just that, then spent more time at my computer to 3 a.m. answering everyone's emails, doing paperwork, and slipping in some test time on the car.

OK, got a moment, so let's give you some info:
1) Dyno.
Got lots of Mustang dyno results.

The Mustang is a lot more conservative than a Dynojet.
My BASELINE STOCK dyno on the Mustang ran 151HP at the rear wheels.
Of course I now will hear some people saying:
"that is all wrong, lots of dynos show a RX-8 making at least 170hp to 180hp at the wheels"

Sure. On a Dynojet.

So, i am trying to get the ABS fooler cleaned up to do a Dynojet session. Problem with a Dynojet is you really want to do some long, multi gear pull sessions.
And, of course, that pisses of the ABS sensor, who triggers a check engine.
On a Mustang I can do a hard quick run, and get it in before the ABS fault event triggers an ECU fault.

We get around 172hp at the wheels on the Mustang dyno, versus stock of 151 hp.

This is at 3,000 foot altitude, on street Shell premium "Optimax" gasoline. 91 octane rated.

I expect to see a Dynojet with a base of around 170hp, and a run with the stage1 of around 190 to 195hp.

I did our runs before where I did a quicky re-wire on the sensors, but the method I used ( tying the rears to the front inputs) risks smoking my ABS controller. Now that I know what that part costs, no way am i risking it again.

Now we are trying to perfect wheel sensor simulators.
I think we have it nailed, but it will probably take to the end of the weekend before I know for sure.

Worked on this last night until around midnight.
AND the night before.
Tonight my wife and I and a friend are going to dinner and LOTR3, so it can all wait until tomorrow.

Once I have that done, then i can get the Dynojet done and posted.
In the meantime, i got some GTech Pro Comp pulls in last night.
I will take the files off the unit and into the GTech software this weekend and post the graphs.

Conditions were a bit above freezing, clean dry road, 17" winter wheels and Nokian WR all season tires, level road.
In 6 runs:
16.1 - Ooops. Take off the DSC!
15.4 - lousy launch. Too low rpm in 1st, bogged a bit.
14.8 - gettng better, still trying to find perfect launch rpm and burnout distance.
14.9 - OK, so I will not make a living at a drag strip.
*** end slid out about 30 degrees and i had to back off to straighten out.
13.78 - Yes, got a near perfect hookup, *** end did not try to slide out on me badly, and i managed to hold throttle to 9000 on all shifts.
14.56 - shifted 1 to 2 too early.

Went home. Car hot, neighbours near that road probably calling cops by now..

Nobody has to buy this.
Nobody has to believe me.
it is on 4 cars full time, and these guys are all really happy.
several others have gone on test demo runs with them, and they are all happy.

If you want to bitch, ask questions, or whatever, just call me.
I post my home #, ICQ, and email all over the place.
Maurice Hilarius
780-456-1510
ICQ 21167247
maurice@harddata.com

This is my hobby, I do not claim to be perfect, but i think I do have some clue about what I am about, and I think a lot of people can vouch on this list that I have supplied them with various things, and have not ripped anybody off.
When i DID get my facts wrong, or when i screwed up, i am not shy to admit it.

You will get dynos as soon as I can.
If you want to join me at midnight for a couple of days to see what is going on and help, then the added hands would be most welcome.

If you wonder if we will still be here later, go on over and check out our company.
http://www.harddata.com

This is what we do for a living in the real world.
We build and install computer equipment for your military, museums, government departments, and universities.
We do have some clue about building complex electronic equipment, and we have been in business doing this since 1992.

Seriously, if you want to get info ASK ME.
If you have a bone to pick TELL ME.
I will do my best to satisfy you within my abilities and time.

If you come out in public and start calling me out, then I really wonder what your motives are?

At a minimum it looks like you are spoiling for a fight.

Who needs that?

Whether you are a master of diplomacy or a rude boor, it is your privelege. If you say something about me, it is between you and me.
I thank those who were concerned about it and admonished you, or questioned your education, but frankly it really is not their place to say so.

Everyone has the right to say what they want. It's called freedom of speech, and I thank those who have died to preserve our priveledge to enjoy it.

Of course it is also a case of where it goes too far, then the speech may end up with somebodies nose meeting anothers fist.

Don't worry, i am not threatening you, I am a lover , not a fighter.

Lock & Load

Maurice

Great reply from the rx8 SAGE.

SDFLY

Canzoomer,

Excellent news on the tests and I for one apoligize if I seemed impatient. I am very interested in your product(s) and when you posted that there will probably be an increase in price I immediately thought "should I order right now before the price goes up to...?" I really appreciate all the extensive work that you (and your crew) have given to better our cars and hope that all your work is rewarded tenfold. Now, knowing your personal load
I for one will relax and wait for updates as they come.....

Kevin

SDFLY

Excellent news is not strong enough....13.78...wow!!!!!!!

Omicron

Maurice, on your best run, what RPM did you launch at?

hogcar

Testes, Testes 1 ..2 ..3 Testes
Spoiling for a fight? I am not spoiling for a fight
you mention it twice. I do not however run from one either.
Good luck with the work you are doing! No really Good luck.

Gord96BRG

Sometimes you have to wonder if Canzoomer really wants the hassle of people challenging him and demanding stuff of him, when this is really just a sideline that fell out of a desire to figure out what was wrong with his RX-8 and how to fix it. He's just posted about everything he has going on, but that's still not enough for some people to be patient.

I think Canzoomer should be like the soup **** on Seinfeld. If someone pisses him off - "No ECU Mod for you!", and refuse to sell him one. There's enough people here who are impressed with the testing (that Maurice has documented going back to September, long before he developed his solution he was detailing the problems as he encountered them. BTW, I call BS on your claim, hogcar, that you've read all the threads about this while you lurked, since you claim that Mazda richened the mixture because of side port problems, when it has been stated by Mazda and confirmed by Maurice, along with Paul Yaw and several other rotary experts that you referenced, that the reason was to lower the exhaust temperatures to increase catalytic converter longevity. You seem completely unaware of the details of that issue) and development that Maurice still has a huge market, and he doesn't need a few people giving him an unreasonable time. He has promised dyno testing as soon as he can (which, even though you don't seem to understand, has to fit into his busy schedule and other business and family commitments).

If you don't want to wait, fine, but give the guy a break. Maybe, just maybe, he's brighter than your average 'intake tube with a K&N on the end of it' tuning shop, and is making an effort to truly understand what the RX-8 ECU is doing rather than just slapping together a typical 'upgrade' that is thrown on all the sport compact cars and claiming a 10 hp improvement from it. The data, from Maurice and from independent testing, will be coming soon enough. I'd highly recommend anyone to do before/after testing of any mods they make - so far, the exhaust and intake guys are highly negligent in that regard, and the vendors are getting a free ride with all the customer posts stating "it sounds great and my butt dyno tells me it's faster."

Regards,
Gordon

hogcar

Whats up with all the name calling? I HAVE READ THE POSTS
The problem is you dont read them. Mazda's word on the richened fuel mixture is for preservation of the engine and the cat
in that order. In fact they list the cat as a secondary reason.
Hey another reply without questioning someones ethics, morals
or name calling. Have a nice day.

MEGAREDS

Speaking for the lurkers... I think many of us are thinking the proof is just going to be in the pudding. There's no reason to wish Canzoomer anything but luck on this. A happy ending would be a nice mod for a great car and a healthy profit for Maurice who has obviously been putting in a lot of time. For those who are skeptical, why not just sit back and watch. I probably won't do the mod (I'm guessing Stage 1 won't even work for the "standard power" engine, right?), but I certainly wouldn't care if the price of the mod were a few hundred more later as insurance against any doubts about its safety or effectiveness. If you can't bring yourself to trust Maurice, just let everyone else try it first. The results are going to be well known very quickly once this thing ships.

As for me, a Christmas wish would be for Mazda to see the finished product and acknowledge its effectiveness, explain why people shouldn't do it and recommend against people doing the mod (they'd have to do that), but also announce that they won't void the entire warranty if owners do an ECU mod -- just the parts of the warranty that could be potentially affected by it. Why would Mazda void the entire warranty if a seat buckle breaks, for example, just to propose a fanciful hypothetical.

Then again, I was hoping that the recording industry and Napster would strike a deal... silly me. Still, unlike the Napster problem, isn't it possible that Mazda is somewhat happy about this project. I suppose it depends on how much it will cost to replace the cats for the people who demand warranty work when the cars start to fail their emissions tests. What will it cost to replace the cat, BTW?

I'm also curious about something I haven't seen discussed: how will the mod affect emissions and fuel consumption? Is the damage done to the cat the only down side to this?

Again, my best to everyone who is building and buying this unit. Good luck!

Speed-ER doc

13.78 beats a Porsche Boxter S (13.82 by Motor Trend)! Can't wait, can't wait, can't wait.

Don't let the skeptics get you down. One of the reasons I was willing to order without waiting for more data is your laid back answers to these detractors and your scientific stepwise thorough approach to the questions at hand. Keep up the FANTASTIC work!

So many of us obviously feel the same way.

hoffa

wait what does this kit do?

hoffa

and by the numbers..where can i get one?