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12-22-2003, 10:41 AM
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its funny people dont want to pay 750 for 25 ponies but they will pay 180 to 260 for 5-10 maybe ponies for an intake......i have to wonder about these folks. Oh well i guess they could pay an average of about 645 bucks and buy 3 intakes and if they are really lucky they will get their 25 ponies.
KEEP UP THE MOST APPRECIATED WORK CZ. I will be looking forward to purchasing your mod ASAP.
KEEP UP THE MOST APPRECIATED WORK CZ. I will be looking forward to purchasing your mod ASAP.
12-22-2003, 11:18 AM
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No ECU mod for A/T at this time, and no immidiate plans to build one (as mentioned earlier). I guess the demand is not there to justify the initial bulid costs.
No ECU mod for A/T at this time, and no immidiate plans to build one (as mentioned earlier). I guess the demand is not there to justify the initial bulid costs.
Canzoomer doesn't own an AT RX-8, and thus has no way to develop and test the tuning for an AT version. He has said that if someone is willing to give him an AT RX-8 for a month or two then he'd be happy to do an AT version!
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12-22-2003, 11:20 AM
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As I see it there are three parts to this mod.
1. The basic hardware.
2. Developing the tuning for the basic hardware.
3. Packaging the finished product so almost anyone can sucessfully install it.
I would say the most expensive part is #2. Lots of dyno time and on-road testing. This is the part that doesn't bode well for the automatics, as there are so few around here. Also this cost must be averaged over all AT customers, and that number is pretty small. Add in the fact that the AT doesn't have the extra ports on the engine, so will probaby not benefit as much from the mod. and you can see why we haven't gone there yet. Plus, as you can see, we currently have our hands full with the MT one. Not to say we will not ever do it, just not for a while, at least.
Now if Mazda had used the 6 port and an automatic such as BMWs 6 speed with a special torque converter that works past 9000 RPM things might be different. But then the car would cost almost twice as much.
1. The basic hardware.
2. Developing the tuning for the basic hardware.
3. Packaging the finished product so almost anyone can sucessfully install it.
I would say the most expensive part is #2. Lots of dyno time and on-road testing. This is the part that doesn't bode well for the automatics, as there are so few around here. Also this cost must be averaged over all AT customers, and that number is pretty small. Add in the fact that the AT doesn't have the extra ports on the engine, so will probaby not benefit as much from the mod. and you can see why we haven't gone there yet. Plus, as you can see, we currently have our hands full with the MT one. Not to say we will not ever do it, just not for a while, at least.
Now if Mazda had used the 6 port and an automatic such as BMWs 6 speed with a special torque converter that works past 9000 RPM things might be different. But then the car would cost almost twice as much.
12-22-2003, 05:25 PM
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Originally posted by Jhouse
its funny people dont want to pay 750 for 25 ponies but they will pay 180 to 260 for 5-10 maybe ponies for an intake......i have to wonder about these folks. Oh well i guess they could pay an average of about 645 bucks and buy 3 intakes and if they are really lucky they will get their 25 ponies.
its funny people dont want to pay 750 for 25 ponies but they will pay 180 to 260 for 5-10 maybe ponies for an intake......i have to wonder about these folks. Oh well i guess they could pay an average of about 645 bucks and buy 3 intakes and if they are really lucky they will get their 25 ponies.
OK, I'm sorry but...
Take a look at what $700 for a chip will get you at AEW for Audi's... the chip will boost hp by 40, has a remote control to switch fuel maps, has cruise control input sequence to flip fuel maps, has a immobilizer built in that requires the user to input a cruise control sequence to start the car, has a valet mode to limit speed to 30mph, controls A/f, controls ignition, controls boost. There is also an option for a data link to do your own programming or use it as a code reader.
for $400 you can get everything above except for the remote control. http://www.awe-tuning.com/pages/shar....cfm&PPT=Chips if you think i am lying.
As good as CZ chip is and as much as I commend him for his work, the thing is childs play for what you get with other companies for $750.
12-22-2003, 05:30 PM
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Will Canzoomers stage 1 mod work on a euro spec UK Hi power car?
I personally don't see why not, because as far as I am aware the UK & US engines are mechanically identical!
If it will work, would you ship to the UK, and how much will that cost?:D
I personally don't see why not, because as far as I am aware the UK & US engines are mechanically identical!
If it will work, would you ship to the UK, and how much will that cost?:D
12-22-2003, 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by pr0ber
OK, I'm sorry but...
Take a look at what $700 for a chip will get you at AEW for Audi's... the chip will boost hp by 40, has a remote control to switch fuel maps, has cruise control input sequence to flip fuel maps, has a immobilizer built in that requires the user to input a cruise control sequence to start the car, has a valet mode to limit speed to 30mph, controls A/f, controls ignition, controls boost. There is also an option for a data link to do your own programming or use it as a code reader.
for $400 you can get everything above except for the remote control. http://www.awe-tuning.com/pages/shar....cfm&PPT=Chips if you think i am lying.
As good as CZ chip is and as much as I commend him for his work, the thing is childs play for what you get with other companies for $750.
OK, I'm sorry but...
Take a look at what $700 for a chip will get you at AEW for Audi's... the chip will boost hp by 40, has a remote control to switch fuel maps, has cruise control input sequence to flip fuel maps, has a immobilizer built in that requires the user to input a cruise control sequence to start the car, has a valet mode to limit speed to 30mph, controls A/f, controls ignition, controls boost. There is also an option for a data link to do your own programming or use it as a code reader.
for $400 you can get everything above except for the remote control. http://www.awe-tuning.com/pages/shar....cfm&PPT=Chips if you think i am lying.
As good as CZ chip is and as much as I commend him for his work, the thing is childs play for what you get with other companies for $750.
Is an awesome product but their upgrade is only on ECUs that are not complicated to upgrade. The ECU for the RX8 is very hard to work with due to the number of processing tasks that handle.
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12-22-2003, 07:25 PM
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NO one has put a gun to your head and said buy it or else , so the solution is simple if you dont see the value in canzoomers or any other rx8 product offered DONT BUY THEM.
Even at $750 canzoomers stage 1 kit i feel is still great value , especially when compared to some of the totally useless aftermarket products out there for the rx8 especially the totally overpriced mazda products.
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NO one has put a gun to your head and said buy it or else , so the solution is simple if you dont see the value in canzoomers or any other rx8 product offered DONT BUY THEM.
Even at $750 canzoomers stage 1 kit i feel is still great value , especially when compared to some of the totally useless aftermarket products out there for the rx8 especially the totally overpriced mazda products.
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12-22-2003, 07:34 PM
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Also, the price for being first is always highest. I am sure a year from now someone will have the equivalent to CZ's stage 1 for a couple hundred. So? I still will have had a years of pleasure with the mod in anyways. Like said before, sometimes it's worth it to pay a little more to some people.
After all, what is money for but to give life even more pleasure?
After all, what is money for but to give life even more pleasure?
12-22-2003, 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by pr0ber
OK, I'm sorry but...
Take a look at what $700 for a chip will get you at AEW for Audi's... the chip will boost hp by 40, has a remote control to switch fuel maps, has cruise control input sequence to flip fuel maps, has a immobilizer built in that requires the user to input a cruise control sequence to start the car, has a valet mode to limit speed to 30mph, controls A/f, controls ignition, controls boost. There is also an option for a data link to do your own programming or use it as a code reader.
for $400 you can get everything above except for the remote control. http://www.awe-tuning.com/pages/shar....cfm&PPT=Chips if you think i am lying.
As good as CZ chip is and as much as I commend him for his work, the thing is childs play for what you get with other companies for $750.
OK, I'm sorry but...
Take a look at what $700 for a chip will get you at AEW for Audi's... the chip will boost hp by 40, has a remote control to switch fuel maps, has cruise control input sequence to flip fuel maps, has a immobilizer built in that requires the user to input a cruise control sequence to start the car, has a valet mode to limit speed to 30mph, controls A/f, controls ignition, controls boost. There is also an option for a data link to do your own programming or use it as a code reader.
for $400 you can get everything above except for the remote control. http://www.awe-tuning.com/pages/shar....cfm&PPT=Chips if you think i am lying.
As good as CZ chip is and as much as I commend him for his work, the thing is childs play for what you get with other companies for $750.
That is because Audi/Volkswagen designed the ECU/PCM in such a way that a add on board to do the work is much more simple to build, the code for programming the ECU was made available, and they have a socket to plug it into.
Out of the $500 we are currently charging the cable assembly harness alone has connectors on it that cost us $53 per assembly, and that is when bought in quantities of 1200 pieces minimum.
Add to that making the harness, whish involves 92 wires on the extension between the connectors, and 7 wires to the FCU we supply.
Wrap a 3 piece aluminum box to hold it, and about 3 man-hours each to assemble.
The computer board in the box costs us around $300 alone.
BUT: It also is a computer that can control the ignition timing, and has a full fledged boost control in it, so that later when we sell the Stage2 and Stage3, we can use the same board and box, add a few more internal wires as a separate assembly inside the box, and some software.
Plus, it is early in the production, so the quantites are fairly small.
Once we get up to the multi thousand level, assuming that happens, we can probably drop the costs down to around the $400 mark for sale.
12-22-2003, 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by Kenco
Will Canzoomers stage 1 mod work on a euro spec UK Hi power car?
I personally don't see why not, because as far as I am aware the UK & US engines are mechanically identical!
If it will work, would you ship to the UK, and how much will that cost?:D
Will Canzoomers stage 1 mod work on a euro spec UK Hi power car?
I personally don't see why not, because as far as I am aware the UK & US engines are mechanically identical!
If it will work, would you ship to the UK, and how much will that cost?:D
Cost to ship by Fedex Air, including insurance is $40
We are looking for a volunteer.
If it does not work we will refund the cost of the unit if returned.
12-22-2003, 09:08 PM
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The other BIG reason for VW/Audi large HP gains is that they're tuning a turbocharged engine. It's a lot easier to get big power by changing the PSI pressure of the turbo.
12-23-2003, 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by canzoomer
We are hoping to be sending a unit to a person in England in January so it can be tested.
Cost to ship by Fedex Air, including insurance is $40
We are looking for a volunteer.
If it does not work we will refund the cost of the unit if returned.
We are hoping to be sending a unit to a person in England in January so it can be tested.
Cost to ship by Fedex Air, including insurance is $40
We are looking for a volunteer.
If it does not work we will refund the cost of the unit if returned.
My car will arrive in Feb. so it is still some time to go. I wounder if I would first to have it run in about 1000km or so, and than install the unit. Unless the time is not to far, let me know.
12-23-2003, 11:37 AM
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Hum ... When I last bought an Audi chip for a 2001 Audi A6 2.7 T 6 speed, I think it bumped it like 40 HP. But the cost was $700 for the software, $500 for the extra ECU and $150 for the vag tool. CanZoomer seems prety much in line to me.
12-23-2003, 11:46 AM
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All I can say is I spoke to Maurcie on the phone last night and am 100% sure this is a great unit and 20-25 horsies for even 750 would still be a hell of a deal, considering all the custom work going into each unit.
This will be the absolute best 500 bucks spent on the car IMHO powerwise.
This will be the absolute best 500 bucks spent on the car IMHO powerwise.
12-23-2003, 12:01 PM
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Damn, I want to buy this...but I'm afraid I won't be able to install it. I've never modded a car before. How easy/difficult will the install be? And when does the price jump to $750? Also, what method of payments do you accept? Do you accept Visa, or Discover cards?
12-23-2003, 02:26 PM
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HMMMMM.....
AUDI.........MAZDA
Oh i get it THEY ARE 2 TOTALLY DIFFERENT CARS, I am just outraged by this discovery. All this time i thought i could go out and buy an audi mod chip to put in my mazda.
I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE TRY TO COMPARE PRICES, MODS ,OR ANYHTHING ELSE FOR THIS CAR TO A TOTALLY f%^#^$ DIFFERENT CAR.
p.s. AHHH i feel better now.
AUDI.........MAZDA
Oh i get it THEY ARE 2 TOTALLY DIFFERENT CARS, I am just outraged by this discovery. All this time i thought i could go out and buy an audi mod chip to put in my mazda.
I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE TRY TO COMPARE PRICES, MODS ,OR ANYHTHING ELSE FOR THIS CAR TO A TOTALLY f%^#^$ DIFFERENT CAR.
p.s. AHHH i feel better now.
12-23-2003, 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by Winning_BlueRX8
Damn, I want to buy this...but I'm afraid I won't be able to install it. I've never modded a car before. How easy/difficult will the install be? And when does the price jump to $750? Also, what method of payments do you accept? Do you accept Visa, or Discover cards?
Damn, I want to buy this...but I'm afraid I won't be able to install it. I've never modded a car before. How easy/difficult will the install be? And when does the price jump to $750? Also, what method of payments do you accept? Do you accept Visa, or Discover cards?