Magic8

Well mixed is all I have to say. Mostly highway with about 8 to 10 stoplight starts.

Pro:
1. Holy crap this thing gets to redline fast!! Especially in 1st gear. I almost crashed into the car in front of me because I was unprepared the first time.
2. Definitely a kick in power near 5000 rpm
3. The exhaust sound changes after 4000 rpm. It kinda whines after that point. I like it. It sounds unique (some people may put this as a negative.)

Con:
1. Idle is rougher. I use to have rough idle until they changed out my plugs to colder ones and the M flash. After those changes, my idles were smooth. Now it sounds like it's about to die.

2. Maybe it as bad shifting but I thought it might have hestitated from 2000 to 3500 rpm. It only happened a couple of times. Other times it was smooth acceleration from idle to 7000 rpm. (Haven't tried to 9000 yet.)


I don't know if I'll keep it in, especially if the rough idle is an indication of burnt (or burning) coils. If the idle thing is fixed, it's defintely a keeper. No doubt this thing makes my rotary strong.

I have to say the 30 minutes I spend driving my 8 with the CZ on the highway made really wish we had the 280 hp Renesis. There was not stops so no idle issue and I kept the rpm's above 4000 so there was a lot fun to be had.

Anyone else from GB#2 installed theirs yet?

Magic8

One last thought. I am really itching to keep this in the car if the rough idle is solved (or if there are no burnt coils) and install a MS lightweight flywheel.

I think that will be one heck of a ride!!! :D

Magic8

Update

Drive it at night because more room to test things out.

Power is defintely there after 5000rpm. There is a huge difference. However the idle is much rougher than before and there seems to be no power from 2000 to 3500 rpm in 2nd or 3rd gear. Doesn't seems to be a problem in 1st. When I step on the gas pedal the car doesn't seem to accelerate in that range (2K to 3.5K rpm)

I thought CZ only changed the timing and a/f ratio after 5000 rpm? Did he do anything before that point?

doccable

I haven't installed mine yet, but started looking around for both the instructions for installation, but if there has been any mention of the coil issue. I found this thread, and have sent a PM to Omicron asking for an update, preferably to the thread.
-Doc

Magic8

I saw Jeff's (MazdaManiac) suggestion to replace the coils with MSD DIS coils and use MSD or AEM ignition controllers. Seems like a good idea. Any idea if this will fix our problems with loss of power below 4000 and rough idle or does it fix only guarantee no burnt coils?

slavearm

Wow this BLOWS! Idles fine... but when you step on the pedal... there's nothing. Its like half power. Just to verify that I am not insane, I had my wife flip the switch and not tell me if it was on or off. Man turn it on and it's like I left a rotor somewhere. Sounds fine.... idles fine, but nodda.

I am going to go download the map and see what the hell he is doing.

BRB.

Slavearm

davefzr

Are you going to go with this setup in the future Maniac? I had heard you mention this before.

slavearm

I am hoping I am wrong, (I did this at about midnight following about 4 hours of sleep) but it appears that the output voltage might be low going to the coils. Can someone confirm this? If this is the case, I am thinking it might have something to do with the Coil Pack Fix. Anyways... driving with it in the off position for now.

Slavearm

Xyntax

It would be good to get data plots from Canscan and compare the idle and acceleration diagrams between CZ on and CZ off.

Weekend, Here I come! :D

PUR NRG

Been there, done that. Sent to Maurice and hopefully he'll have an answer for me tomorrow.
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RPIRX-8

I spent the day with Speed Racer installing my CZ unit from GB #2. Verdict....definitely need to tune it. Below 5k very sluggish, surge from 5k to redline. Also got some really bad pinging in the low RPMS. Most likely my MAFS voltage is on the high end and I need to add more fuel at low RPMs. This definitely will take time as we spend about 6 hours on it today. On one of my first runs with the CZ on my A/F ratio was something like 9:1. Funny thing, we took Speed Racer's CZ unit (one of the first ones) and plopped it in my 8 and just ran it, worked awesome, great power.

Ralph Brown

I originaly got my stage 1 unit from canzoomer in march of 2004 it worked just great. then my car was "M" by the dealer. 2 week ago I sent my unit back to Canzoom for the upgrade. When I got it back I had no power from 2000 up to 3500 rpm. from 4000 rpm and above the car would just run fine. I called Canzoomer office about my problem he told somethings to do on the lower rpm range MAF data only. I used the software and cables that I bought from him earlier along with my laptop and I tweaked the low rpm column only.now my car is driving great with no loss of power in the lower range and the surge of power at the 4krange and above. I had to adjust the lower range rpm on my car about 7 times until it worked . I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT IF YOU CAN CALL MAURICE DO SO BECAUSE HE WILL HELP YOU. I'M NO MECHANIC AND I HAVE LITTLE KNOWLEDGE ON CAR MATTERS 'BUT I TRIED WHAT HE TOLD ME AND IT WORKED FOR MY CAR. GET SOFTWARE AND CABLE AND YOU CAN TUNE YOUR CAR ALSO. I'M just trying to help anyone with this really nice car.

Omicron

Remember folks, the '8 has a "learning" ECU. Takes a few hundred miles for your car to adapt to the CanZoomer unit... so, I'd suggest you wait a bit before you start tuning.

SDFLY

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If you're wanting to sell your unit, please post a thread in the Parts for Sale forum. Thanks.

Jump120MPH

I am having the same issues as everyone else. Sluggish in the 1000-4000 RPMs then it kicks in. The idle is very rough. I cant tell if the car is any faster. Its hard to tell cause the car hesitates in the low RPMs then surges. It kind of gives the illusion that it feels faster, but Im not sure it is.

I will give it some more time to "learn" what it needs to, then I guess Ill buy the cables to tune it and give that a try. Im going to find some time to dyno my car here in the next few weeks.

nebusm

I'm having the same issues in the lower rpms. ..there's just nothing there..
..guess I should have ordered the programming cable. ;(

Jump120MPH

I was just doing some more testing driving around and WOW there is NOOOO power in the low RPMs(1k-4k) in 2nd or 3rd gear. Let the RPMs drop to 1k in 2nd and in 3rd, I had the pedal to the floor and the car just sputtered along until 4k or so. Thats awful. Im really debating on whether to try and buy the cables and try to tune it or just get a refund. hmmm....

megauo

Would any of you from GB#2 be willing to take the unit apart and post some pictures about the ignition controll circuit (small separated board)? This might help others wanting to do the upgrade themselfs ...

philodox

call me a newbie.. but what's GB#2?

philodox

Ah, thanks Hskr8, much appreciated information. Just trying to stay on top of things with this thread since I'm waiting on my CZ stage 1 to be built and shipped.

dannobre

iTrader: (3)

I second the request for the Pictures of the new board..........have the old pictures from the first Cap mod to compare them with

Speed Racer

RPIRX-8 has pictures of his new CZ and my old one.

RPIRX-8

Give me a couple hours, I will post them on my site and put the link up here.

megauo

Hope the pictures will help to find what the latest changes are...

PRPIRX-8 would you please post pictures of the soldering and the component side of the ignition board, just in order to be able to understand what the latest circuit is.

Might be interesting to check out the possibility to disable the ignition control as a whole in the unit ...

RPIRX-8

Ok, pics are up here. Pics are named appropriately.