juanjux

I was wondering what e-Manage could be better for tunning a NA car: canzoomer, e-manage blue, e-manage ultimate...

I don't plan to go FI anytime soon.

Thanks!

mikeschaefer

Well canzoomer and emanage blue are basically the same thing.

The ultimate is definitely the better solution, but the question is: is the extra cost worth it to you? Wiring it up is easier (if you factor in the splicing you'll need to do to the emanage blue if you want full control of fuel). The other differences between the Blue and Ultimate you can find on the Greddy site.

I was going to do the same as you want to do and get used to tuning while saving for FI. Then the problems with the Ultimate were fixed, problems were addressed with the Greddy turbo kit, and Greddy began selling their kits with the Ultimate. That led me to go ahead and purchase the kit.
I'm considering wiring up the Ultimate to my car and trying tuning while still N/A before I install the turbo, which sounds like something you might be interested in doing. I don't foresee any problems doing this, as I believe that even though the turbo map that comes with Ultimate is locked, you can always start a new map from scratch without losing that turbo map for future use. Creating a map from scratch for N/A will get me prepared for tuning under boost and help keep me from damaging my turbo and/or engine.

I guess you just have to decide on your ultimate goal. Do you want F/I later? If so will it be turbo or s/c and which kit? Are you short on funds or can you spend the extra ~$300 or so to go with the Ultimate over the blue for N/A?

juanjux

My goal is F/I but not in a short time; probably in two years when my warranty expires (I know the emanages would also void my warranty but I'm putting them with the plug&play cables), and in that time there could be more interesting developments than the greddy turbo. So I'm not considering the posibility of going with FI in this decision.

Also, it's not only the $300 difference, it's a little bit more because there are usually canzoomers/emanage blue on sale used (on this forum, ebay, etc) but not so many ultimates. And the canzoomer comes with the plug & play wires, while for the Ultimate I would have to buy them.

I don't know what to do!

MegaLoL

Cannzomer would be enough for U right now.

juanjux

Ok, I've just bought the Ultimate, it much nicer to look at :-D

tdiddy

Can the maps from the Ultimate be exported?

I am asking because I have not heard of anyone using the ultimate for N/A. I think the maps that come preloaded on the ultimate are for FI. This means that someone will have to create a N/A map.

If someone creates a base map for the ultimate and can export it, I think more people who are N/A will jump on the ultimate.

Just my 2 cents....

Moostafa29

I just got a blue a few weeks ago, but have yet to install it. I got it hoping that the turbo fixes to help eliminate the LTFT would work with the NA set up, but after speaking briefly with MM, I don't think that will work without doing some extra work to it. I got it before all the flash options were announced, so I don't know if I will keep it or not.

tdiddy

Even with the universal ultimate and a harness, isn't someone still going to have to create a base N/A map?

If I had a base N/A map to start tuning from I would probably get the ultimate but I don't have the expertise to create a map from scratch.

Dont most of the other products like the canzoomer and Interceptor-x come with a N/A base map that can be tuned for your car. I have not read whether or not the ultimate has a N/A base map. Does anyone know?

juanjux

Yes; I bought the upgrade kit + the harness. I, or better said, a friend of mine which have experience tuning the emanage ultimate will start the setup and maps from scratch, ignoring the FI maps. As soon as I receive my kit and start tuning it I'll open a new thread linked from this thread. Hopefully we can some nice horses and publish the maps here.

MazdaManiac: with the Emanage Ultimate (last firmware version) in a NA setup would the LTFT be a problem?

mikeschaefer

LTFT won't be a problem

Let us know if the Ultimate forces you to lose the turbo map it comes with if you try to make your own map (which I don't believe would be true because it doesn't make sense).

I will be back in town to pick up my greddy kit this saturday and will probably install the e-manage then to start practicing N/A tuning. That's IF the turbo map can be preserved for later use when I install the turbo.

My strategy for N/A tuning will be just to start with what I think will be rich and then go from there. I already have a bunch of graphs of what my engine does stock from playing with sCANalyser so it shouldn't be too difficult, just time consuming! Juan when you get a good map to start with post it up and I'll do the same when I find one. We can make this a collaborative effort.

Also, will you be tuning with a wideband O2 or the stock O2 with scanalyser/canscan? I'll be doing the N/A tuning with stock O2 + scanalyser until I get my LC-1 and get it installed.

juanjux

I'm not sure, maybe the e-manage software has an option to export the data/maps to a file?

I'll also start rich, 11.5-12.5, test it for a couple weeks, dyno it and post the results here and then go for 13-13.2 using 95 gas and a midpipe ("stage 2") and dyno it again, post the results here or sell the ultimate in ebay depending on how good they're . I hope I get at least the same gains that Scott had with his Interceptor in the NA car he tested, maybe a little better because of the midpipe.

I'm waiting for my canscan to arrive and then I'll start logging data for my car in "stock" form.

Yes, I think it'll be time consuming, but also fun!

I'll post everything I found that work for me, first the "stage 1" map at 11.5-12.5 and if there is not problem in the testing weeks the other one.

I'll be using the LC-1 my friend has, but as soon as I start mastering the matter I'll buy one.

mikeschaefer

Here's a stock run that i've taken with scanalyser on the stock O2 sensor.

I added in a linear trend line but you can ignore that.

juanjux

I think that this graph is interesting because it seems the your stock motor doesn't run as lean as other graphs I've seen (like the ones in Tyrannical page), not low 11's but 12 at high RPMs.

mikeschaefer

I'm about to go out and do some 3rd gear runs to see if I can get better.

edit: I posted about having problems with the software but I figured it out. I was too excited I guess. I'll have to slow myself down a bit.

mikeschaefer

Installing it has been taking longer than I thought! I do have the wires run though and the Utlimate mounted inside the car. I have the ECU and harness in the box but still can't manage to get the top of the box on! The only way I can see to do it is to separate the factory harnesses even more than I already have (which has been a pain) or re-wire everything myself (not a task I want to take on). But anyway...

I've been driving around with zero'd out maps loaded with the 13B-MSP_H selected as the vehicle. It drives normal just as I thought it would. When it cools down later I'll log some 3rd gear runs. I still need to figure out if I want to use 13B-MSP_H or the Universal engine with the parameters that the unit comes with (uploaded here by mysql). I'll have to read the manual 1 or 2 times more to see what would be better.

juanjux

I'm still waiting for mine (niceties of international deliveries); I don't know if I'll just sell it and buy a stage 2 canzoomer or go with the Ultimate. Once you have it correctly wired and installed don't forget to put some photos!

tdiddy

I got a card in the mail today saying that my ultimate is at the post office. I will pick it up tomorrow. It may take me a few days to install it but I will have it installed before the end of this weekend. In the meantime I plan to read the manual a couple of times.