canaryrx8

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what's everyone's take on center channels?

TRU681

I took mine out.It doesn't do much.

silverx8

How will you deafen the passengers without rear fill?

silverx8

Bose system doesn't image worth beans, so they need to fill in the center. Just another puddle in the vast mud.

TRU681

I'm sure the passengers won't need rearfill because I have 150watts rms going to the mids in the kickpanels & 150watts rms going to the midbass drivers in the door panels. Car not done yet but will be soon, as soon as the bodyshop stop lagging & finish painting all the custom pieces built for the system, about 16 pieces. Here's a few pictures of kickpanels & custom door panels. Kick panels are laser aimed for better imaging.

forbidden

Your right, the center channel suxorz, so take it out and replace it with say a.... Focal K2P 6.5" mid and tweeter combination to match the front doors...

silverx8

I believe that high frequency content is what the ear cues on for the image. Without the highs, how does the Bose system image?

canaryrx8

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I kinda' meant center channels in general not just the Bose, oops

silverx8

A good system will sound worse with the center channel. With a high quality system, you will swear that you could reach out and touch the singer.

However this requires that the listener be right between the two speakers. In a car that is impossible (except for the guy in the middle of the back seat). IMO you are better off getting the midrange and highs where they can be heard, instead of entertaining your left leg. The tweeter is in a fine location, but the 9" has got to get the sound to the ears better.

canaryrx8

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interesting, my home system has a center channel, but then again I'm listening to stuff like movies etc.. that are probably mixed differently than music cds. I suppose it migth be more useful in the Bose system if you could adjust the speaker levels a little better (other than just the fader on the deck) but I suppose that remains to be seen. So from what I've read so far, it is possible to replace the tweeters with aftermarket w/o any problems? The thought has crossed my mind, I also wonder if maybe they're too far from the door speakers to begin with, I was always told that the tweeter and the mid had to be a certain distance from each other or it screws things up, was that incorrect?

Rotary Rasp

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Now back to my question.

"Bose is junk, the emperor has no clothes."

What does the emperor having no clothes have to due with the Bose system?

That is all.

therm8

With Mazda sharing the parts bin with Volvo in the modern world of Ford owning everything, it'd be nice to get the Dyna-audio system that Volvos (used to?) get. Best oem system I've ever heard.

Longhornxtreme

is that Dyna audio or is it Dyne Audio? If its the second... those are some of THE BEST component speakers you can purchase, for home, studio, or automotive applications...

these days I lean towards Diamond for the budget concscious audiophile, as well as the new Morel lines....


Give Audison amps a gander as well...

therm8

Definitely Dyna. European company, i think. 10 speaker dolby surround for the premium audio package.

canaryrx8

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do you mean Dynaudio? these guys make 85,000 dollar home speakers that are to die for!

http://www.dynaudio.com/

therm8

Yes that's them.

Rotary Rasp

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I must know!

TRU681

The center chanel that the bose system has does not do a thing. Bose is just trying to imitate a surround sound system. They dont even have a surround sound processor in the system so it wont do much at all. In a car environment, surround sound can't be achieve unless you go all out and spend a TON like the Alpine demo cars. They custom build the driver seat to the center of the car, that's the only way to have a surround system to be effective.

canaryrx8

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thanks for answering my question, I saw the episode of rides where they featured the Alpine BMW, dang that thing was sick! I think the most impressive part of that whole show was that it was still drivable, even with the seat in the middle, the funky space-age looking steering wheel etc. That huge **** back window was amazing too, especially the little "BMW" emblem right in the middle (heh). oh, andf the custom 26's were insane as well.

http://www.alpine-usa.com/news/event...5_finish_1.htm

silverx8

The statement that "The emperor has no clothes is a cultural reference. The story is related by Hans Christian Anderson:

http://hca.gilead.org.il/emperor.html

The long and short is that the emperor walks around naked under the pretense that those who cannot see the clothes are not worthy. Even the emperor is afraid to admit that he cannot see the clothes, lest he admit his unworthieness. The truth is that the emperor was swindled and too afraid to admit to it lest he be seen as unworthy, or worse, a fool.

bureau13

Totally different animal. For movies there is a dedicated center channel track (at least with Dolby Digital) that the center channel is reproducing. Even with the older Dolby ProLogic, most of the dialog is encoded so as to get played on the center channel. For source material recorded in stereo (about 99.9% of your music CDs) there is no center channel track, so adding one and sending presumably some mix of the two channels to it will only muddy up the works.

jds

canaryrx8

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I knew there had to be a difference as I started fudging through some of my cds, I have some that make a big deal about "surround sound recording" so I played them in the car, couldn't really notice anything. Took the same cd, dropped it in the home system, and it came to life (it was classical music, 1812 overture etc..) The sad thing is I probably knew all this already, just had to wake it up in my head.

Rotary Rasp

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My life is complete!