Engineers: Can this be hacked?
#26
Originally posted by Rx-Appreci-8
No doubt the two of you have moved us all a giant leap closer to getting the AUX-in function we want and maybe even how to put messages on the dash display if we learn that the radio head just passes ascii text directly up from the selected accessory across the BUS interface.
No doubt the two of you have moved us all a giant leap closer to getting the AUX-in function we want and maybe even how to put messages on the dash display if we learn that the radio head just passes ascii text directly up from the selected accessory across the BUS interface.
Originally posted by eXentric
I'm frustrated at this point because I think I could really get some good testing done this weekend, but I'm lacking the plug. I just don't know if I want to try and get in there with coiled wires and try and tap on the pins -- I'd be afraid I'd short something out with my clumbsy fingers.
I wonder if I could somehow fabricate a plug with molding clay or something... Any suggestions?
I'm frustrated at this point because I think I could really get some good testing done this weekend, but I'm lacking the plug. I just don't know if I want to try and get in there with coiled wires and try and tap on the pins -- I'd be afraid I'd short something out with my clumbsy fingers.
I wonder if I could somehow fabricate a plug with molding clay or something... Any suggestions?
#28
RX-8-Tobi
To answer your question, Canzoomer is an incredibly prolific contributor to this forum. You can purchase RX-8 accessories from him including a custom performance tuning kit that helps the RX-8 get back the lost horsepower.
Check out these threads
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=14823
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=15950
To answer your question, Canzoomer is an incredibly prolific contributor to this forum. You can purchase RX-8 accessories from him including a custom performance tuning kit that helps the RX-8 get back the lost horsepower.
Check out these threads
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=14823
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=15950
#29
Originally posted by Sputnik
If someone with NAV could also confirm that when the NAV voice is active, does music still come through the left channel, or is the reported "mixing" of music and NAV voice simply a matter of the NAV voice coming out of the left channel, and music coming out of the right channels?
If someone with NAV could also confirm that when the NAV voice is active, does music still come through the left channel, or is the reported "mixing" of music and NAV voice simply a matter of the NAV voice coming out of the left channel, and music coming out of the right channels?
#30
Thanks Bob, that's interesting. Now I'm wondering if the System Mute signal in Tobi's diagram mutes both L & R channels or just left. If I am going to use it with my hands free cell phone adapter I need to to mute both left AND right channels.
I guess I'll pull it all apart again after Christmas and check. I want a decent NAV, radio, display and steering wheel button interconnect schematic (that makes sense to me) so badly that I'm going to probably need to unwrap the harness and ohm/trace out a schematic myself.
Brett
I guess I'll pull it all apart again after Christmas and check. I want a decent NAV, radio, display and steering wheel button interconnect schematic (that makes sense to me) so badly that I'm going to probably need to unwrap the harness and ohm/trace out a schematic myself.
Brett
Last edited by Rx-Appreci-8; 12-12-2003 at 12:30 PM.
#31
Originally posted by eXentric
That last diagram confuses me a bit... It looks like the same port that we've been addressing... but the pins don't match up with your other diagram do they? For example, in your first post 2P is B+, but in this latest diagram 1B is B+. Does this mean that wires are twisted in the cable or what?
That last diagram confuses me a bit... It looks like the same port that we've been addressing... but the pins don't match up with your other diagram do they? For example, in your first post 2P is B+, but in this latest diagram 1B is B+. Does this mean that wires are twisted in the cable or what?
Previously, it has been VERY difficult for consumers to get connectors like that, and it's even harder to get only one or two connectors (instead of in bulk). Mazda part dealers normally don't carry the connectors separately, but the whole wire bundle instead. Now, if we find out that this works, one of the vendors might be able to get something in bulk and put together a pigtail adapter like Canzoomers, but in the meantime, we'd almost have to tap into the existing wires instead of putting together another connector.
---jps
#32
Bob & Sputnik
You inspired me to play with my NAV voice on my drive to work this morning.
As Bob stated, the NAV completely mutes the channel, but it isn't just a L/R thing as I originally thought because as I play with the fader and the balance, the NAV voice only affects the left FRONT speaker in my car (no change to left rear or right front or rear).
Apparently the NAV either seizes the line to the front left speaker or it seizes the channel after the preamp put before the main amp for the front left channel. I'm assuming AFTER the preamp because the radio head volume control changes FM/AM/CD/cassette volume but doesn't affect the volume of the NAV voice.
You inspired me to play with my NAV voice on my drive to work this morning.
As Bob stated, the NAV completely mutes the channel, but it isn't just a L/R thing as I originally thought because as I play with the fader and the balance, the NAV voice only affects the left FRONT speaker in my car (no change to left rear or right front or rear).
Apparently the NAV either seizes the line to the front left speaker or it seizes the channel after the preamp put before the main amp for the front left channel. I'm assuming AFTER the preamp because the radio head volume control changes FM/AM/CD/cassette volume but doesn't affect the volume of the NAV voice.
Last edited by Rx-Appreci-8; 12-12-2003 at 12:29 PM.
#33
Thats kind of what I expected since the most recent diagram has speaker in and speaker out pins. I think the nav just hijacks the line-level controls en-route to the amplifier.
Can someone with a Nav clearify where the nav unit itself hooks up? Does it connect only to the small port that we've been discussing or does it also somehow tap in-line between the head unit and the rear amplifier?
I'm going to try some way to make a pin header this weekend (hopefully) I don't have any ideas as of yet other then messing with connectors I already have or trying to fabricate one out of hardening clay or wood.
If someone with a NAV is willing to tap into their exisiting header, please do so and let us know.
Thanks!
Can someone with a Nav clearify where the nav unit itself hooks up? Does it connect only to the small port that we've been discussing or does it also somehow tap in-line between the head unit and the rear amplifier?
I'm going to try some way to make a pin header this weekend (hopefully) I don't have any ideas as of yet other then messing with connectors I already have or trying to fabricate one out of hardening clay or wood.
If someone with a NAV is willing to tap into their exisiting header, please do so and let us know.
Thanks!
Last edited by eXentric; 12-12-2003 at 03:42 PM.
#34
Originally posted by eXentric
If someone with a NAV is willing to tap into their exisiting header, please do so and let us know.Thanks!
If someone with a NAV is willing to tap into their exisiting header, please do so and let us know.Thanks!
#35
Well, here's my best effort. I bought some modeling clay from a local craft / hobby shop and molded a pin header. After baking it for about 40 minutes and letting it cool, I used a Dremel and a very small bit to widen the wire holes.
#36
After that, I got out a 9-pin female serial port kit from Radio Shack. I pulled out the female pins and had to squash them a bit with needle-nose pliers so that they'd make a good connection.
Next I used the diagrams in this thread to put wires on the right pins.
Next I used the diagrams in this thread to put wires on the right pins.
#38
I took it back out to the car and wired everything up. I tried only the left signal + and - connected to a small RCA Lyra MP3 player. I tried shorting 'system mute' (2B) to 'power ground' (2A), 'signal ground' (2G) and to the radios chasis. No combination would cause the head unit to mute or to switch to the playing Lyra.
I even tried mirroring my pinouts just in case the diagram was for the cable and not for the back of the head unit (I know this was kind of silly). I also noticed that 2G is a N/C pin on the big diagram.
So, at this point I'm really pretty down on my luck. I'm wondering how someone with a nav unit up and running would fare. I'm also wondering if the 'system mute' pin (2B) requires a logic signal (like 5 or 12v) to trigger it rather then grounding it. I didn't have time tonight to test that theory (and I'm a little scared to at that).
So, that's where I'm at. I guess I'm waiting to hear from one of the NAV owners and I welcome any further thoughts.
Thanks all,
eXe
I even tried mirroring my pinouts just in case the diagram was for the cable and not for the back of the head unit (I know this was kind of silly). I also noticed that 2G is a N/C pin on the big diagram.
So, at this point I'm really pretty down on my luck. I'm wondering how someone with a nav unit up and running would fare. I'm also wondering if the 'system mute' pin (2B) requires a logic signal (like 5 or 12v) to trigger it rather then grounding it. I didn't have time tonight to test that theory (and I'm a little scared to at that).
So, that's where I'm at. I guess I'm waiting to hear from one of the NAV owners and I welcome any further thoughts.
Thanks all,
eXe
#39
Bob,
Please try this thread for good instructions on removing the head unit. This is all you really should need to mess with, since the port were interested connects here. I guess you could mess with it at the nav unit itself, but that may or may not work for everyone.
Either way, any additional information is good.
Thanks
Please try this thread for good instructions on removing the head unit. This is all you really should need to mess with, since the port were interested connects here. I guess you could mess with it at the nav unit itself, but that may or may not work for everyone.
Either way, any additional information is good.
Thanks
#40
I know this is a stretch but does anyone have access to the internal schematics of the head unit. IF the area could be located where all of the inputs (CD/FM, etc..) connect prior to the amp this is where we need to be... If we could find this area on the board we could tap in with and AUX input and a custom switch that would switch to the AUX jack...
,Lewis
,Lewis
#41
eX,
I like your home-made connector. Really looks cool! :p
Bad luck that it does not activate the AUX-INs so far.
Maybe try to connect the system mute to power (+B or acc). That could be the solution then. I know it is a bit dangerous.
Maybe using a low current fuse in the test-cable between the two pins could add a bit more safety.
Good work so far!
Has anyone of you the true Workshop Manual? As I told you, the "Service Highlights" doesn't go much into detail. No audio wiring diagrams at all.
Tobi
I like your home-made connector. Really looks cool! :p
Bad luck that it does not activate the AUX-INs so far.
Maybe try to connect the system mute to power (+B or acc). That could be the solution then. I know it is a bit dangerous.
Maybe using a low current fuse in the test-cable between the two pins could add a bit more safety.
Good work so far!
Has anyone of you the true Workshop Manual? As I told you, the "Service Highlights" doesn't go much into detail. No audio wiring diagrams at all.
Tobi
Last edited by RX-8-Tobi; 12-14-2003 at 04:01 AM.
#42
Originally posted by eXentric
Bob,
Please try this thread for good instructions on removing the head unit. This is all you really should need to mess with, since the port were interested connects here. I guess you could mess with it at the nav unit itself, but that may or may not work for everyone.
Either way, any additional information is good.
Thanks
Bob,
Please try this thread for good instructions on removing the head unit. This is all you really should need to mess with, since the port were interested connects here. I guess you could mess with it at the nav unit itself, but that may or may not work for everyone.
Either way, any additional information is good.
Thanks
For how to remvove audio unit, I summarized in the following link.
http://www.geocities.jp/lase3p/RX-8/...e_audio_en.htm
English is not my mother language, so please correct me if I am using bad English in the above link.
#43
Hey Yuhki,
great link!
I am also not native speaking English, so I am not the guy to correct your site. :p
The US boys still are sleeping or have some more important stuff at the moment in the news. :p
As you are from Japan, maybe you can tell us where to get the radio connectors? But of course first of all we have to find out how to activate the AUX-IN.
Greetings from Germany to Japan.
Tobi
great link!
I am also not native speaking English, so I am not the guy to correct your site. :p
The US boys still are sleeping or have some more important stuff at the moment in the news. :p
As you are from Japan, maybe you can tell us where to get the radio connectors? But of course first of all we have to find out how to activate the AUX-IN.
Greetings from Germany to Japan.
Tobi
#44
Hey guys!
eXentric, well done. If you DO decide to connect the mute pin to +5 volts or vehicle voltage (12-13.5V) be sure to minimize initiial risk (until we know exactly what is on the other side of that pin) by connecting through a protective resistor -- say, 10K ohms to start off. If it is sourcing into digital logic with high input impedence you should see the voltage on the mute pin go almost all the way up. Initially, 10K ohms will limit the current to 5 / 10,000 = 0.5 milliamps (max) or 13.5 / 10,000 = 1.35 milliamps (max) even if the mute pin is a dead short (not likely).
The worst case power dissipation through the resistor would only be V*V / R = 13*13 / 10,000 = ~0.02W so any small, inexpensive resistor would do fine.
eXentric, well done. If you DO decide to connect the mute pin to +5 volts or vehicle voltage (12-13.5V) be sure to minimize initiial risk (until we know exactly what is on the other side of that pin) by connecting through a protective resistor -- say, 10K ohms to start off. If it is sourcing into digital logic with high input impedence you should see the voltage on the mute pin go almost all the way up. Initially, 10K ohms will limit the current to 5 / 10,000 = 0.5 milliamps (max) or 13.5 / 10,000 = 1.35 milliamps (max) even if the mute pin is a dead short (not likely).
The worst case power dissipation through the resistor would only be V*V / R = 13*13 / 10,000 = ~0.02W so any small, inexpensive resistor would do fine.
Last edited by Rx-Appreci-8; 12-15-2003 at 08:01 AM.
#45
Originally posted by eXentric
I took it back out to the car and wired everything up. I tried only the left signal + and - connected to a small RCA Lyra MP3 player. I tried shorting 'system mute' (2B) to 'power ground' (2A), 'signal ground' (2G) and to the radios chasis. No combination would cause the head unit to mute or to switch to the playing Lyra... So, that's where I'm at. I guess I'm waiting to hear from one of the NAV owners and I welcome any further thoughts.
I took it back out to the car and wired everything up. I tried only the left signal + and - connected to a small RCA Lyra MP3 player. I tried shorting 'system mute' (2B) to 'power ground' (2A), 'signal ground' (2G) and to the radios chasis. No combination would cause the head unit to mute or to switch to the playing Lyra... So, that's where I'm at. I guess I'm waiting to hear from one of the NAV owners and I welcome any further thoughts.
---jps
#46
I'll try to make note of all these suggestions and requests and take care of them. Unfortunately, it may be a while before I can get to it (at least next weekend). Unfortunately, the holidays here are always extremely busy and I have family coming from across the states for this one. It's going to be very big for me.
But I will do my best to get to it as soon as possible. Hopefully someone can take up for my unfortunate slack over the next little while.
eXe
But I will do my best to get to it as soon as possible. Hopefully someone can take up for my unfortunate slack over the next little while.
eXe
#47
Originally posted by Yuhki
This thread is very interesting and very fun to read
For how to remvove audio unit, I summarized in the following link.
http://www.geocities.jp/lase3p/RX-8/...e_audio_en.htm
This thread is very interesting and very fun to read
For how to remvove audio unit, I summarized in the following link.
http://www.geocities.jp/lase3p/RX-8/...e_audio_en.htm
English is not my mother language, so please correct me if I am using bad English in the above link.
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Originally posted by RX-8-Tobi
Has anyone of you the true Workshop Manual? As I told you, the "Service Highlights" doesn't go much into detail. No audio wiring diagrams at all.
Has anyone of you the true Workshop Manual? As I told you, the "Service Highlights" doesn't go much into detail. No audio wiring diagrams at all.
#49
Originally posted by Tamas
I do... however, the whole wiring chapter is almost 6 MB in size. I'm not sure how could I send it to those who can make something out of it.
I do... however, the whole wiring chapter is almost 6 MB in size. I'm not sure how could I send it to those who can make something out of it.
The darn thing contains all wiring schematics of the car. I was able to find the mentioned plug diagrams but not being an electrical engineer, it really confuses me :p