yeah that funny you said that. my remote broke, lock/unlock will not work yet i can start the car, replaced battery thinking it was dieing..still no luck and my smart start subscription was up, lady called me asked if i wanted to renew, told her about the remote, explained how it comes with a year warranty, but my year was up...

so she said if i renewed service she would send remote. so i should be expecting it in a couple more days.

 

It's been doing that ever since I got it, it makes me nervous 2, and it throws on my cel light either cause false code or misfire so waiting on bhr ignition and new plugs to see if that makes a difference, and thanks fit the info I'm going to have to email viper

 

Bypass module

 

I believe there is a way to adjust the amount of time it tries to crank. You might have to let it crank just one second longer to get the car to fire,

 

I'll have to go check that out and see if there is something they can change, thanks for the help

 

does the smart start come with an alarm also?


and for all those who got it installed, how much was the price for the install?


sorry, another question.. did the viper kits come with everything needed for the install?

 

The SmartStart system does come with the full alarm package. Definitely loud enough to get anyones attention.

Price for install on this, we charge $200 since we have to install not only the remote start, but entry and security.

Total comes to $700 something I believe.

Not all the parts are included if you have a manual. Special parts are required for the clutch and brake and such. Extra parts are not too bad however.

 

There is but you need the coding tool.

 

I'm not sure which product you're talking about that comes with the SmartStart module. The VSS5000? Anyway, the SmartStart module (VSM250) is sold separately and can be added onto any of the Viper remote start systems (systems with an alarm or not).

No. Everything you need is not included. You'll need a immobilizer bypass module (DBALL2 or FLCAN) and likely a couple relays (especially if you're manual trans). On the note of transmissions, if you are manual, look up the Viper shutdown procedure which will allow you to remote start it later. If you're not willing to do that each time you shutdown the car, then forget about remote start. Don't dare avoid these safety precautions. It only takes one slip-up to cause serious property damage or kill someone.

Costs will vary depending on the system you choose. A decent remote start/alarm with SmartStart and all parts/labor....yeah.... $700 is about spot on.

Lastly, remember that SmartStart requires an annual fee through Viper.


Timed crank is a thing of the past. Hook up a tach wire or use "virtual tach". Keep that signal dependable, your customers happy, and your re-checks down to a minimum.

 

Thank you for the info!!
I have a 2005 automatic 4 spd, and I really want the remote start, don't really care much about the smartstart I just thought it was a neat feature.

So for the remote start and alarm system which product would you guys recommend?

And I have to ask this because I have gotten sooo many different answers.. is the rev before shut down a necessity? I thought it was and then I was told that it would actually ruin my engine..

 

Rev before shutdown? I have no clue what you're talking about. Certainly doesn't need to be done for remote start....or if you're just asking about RX8s in general, I've never heard of that. I never once did it in the years I owned mine.

I say get the Viper 5806V and the Xpresskit DBALL2. Should be ballparked at ~$550 installed. If you've got an extra 100, the 5706V is nice. Or the mack daddy 5906.

 

DBALL2 and FLCAN are both $80. I went with the DBALL2.

The annual fee is $55 per year.

And yes it is a thing of the past, but it is still something built into the system and is possible if desired.

 

The DBALL2 does door locks on the RX8. The FLCAN does not. And $80? Maybe at your shop...
XpressKit DBALL2 by Directed Databus Combo Bypass & Door Lock Module

The base plan is $70 per year. But they do have a buy 2 get 1 year free plan too.
Viper SmartStart Service Plans

 

Hello i have a viper 5906 who can help me to install it? thx a lot

 

I'm looking into doing this as a project.
I have been wondering about the immobilising feature from the key. But I guess that added module is needed otherwise it will never work?

Is it always active and hence rendering the immobiliser redundant? Or does it have a toggle switch on when required (ie during the remote start sequence?)

On a side note, does the valet key also have the chip embedded in it?

Thanks

 

Yes, the DBALL2 will be needed. It does not bypass the immobilizer. The anti-theft feature of it will still be intact. The DBALL simply sends the key code to the immobilizer when the remote start button is pushed. Outside of the remote start sequence, no code is sent and the immobilizer is intact and keeping that vehicle from starting.

TBH, I'm not sure the valet key can be used for this. Many of the DBALL install guides specifically say valet keys cannot be used. But of course the valet key has the chip in it, in order for the car to start. It doesn't specify in the RX8 DBALL guide. Why? You only have a valet key?

 

No I have all the keys. I was just curious as what the difference with the valet key is.

Could not work it out from the manual. And I was able to drive the car witht the valet key alone =s

 

The only thing I can think of is that the DBALL can't program the convenience features from the valet key? (ie door locks, etc) I don't know. You can try it if you really want, but if you have all the keys, who cares.

 

True. The immobiliser bypass is the one that requires a hidden key?

 

Just so we're clear, you do not need to hide or store a key anywhere in the vehicle for remote start. You'll use a key to learn the DBALL and then remove the key. The DBALL will take it from there.

 

Thank you for clarifying. =)

 

What about the oem alarm?
need to desactivate it? how?

Thx

 

Weren't you the guy trying to install a 5706V in a manual trans RX8 somewhere in Europe with zero experience and no professionals within 200 miles? An absolute disaster in the making. Been almost a year, how's that going for you?

It's been awhile since I've worked/owned an RX8, but I do believe the factory alarm arm and disarm wire are actually a single multiplex wire. So one would need to use a SPDT relay to trigger through a specific resistance to present the BCM with the correct voltage to trigger the function you wanted (disarm).

 

Yes it's me no professionnal want to install it here because "it's not their product".
No mount yet :'(

But mazda is ok to install it but need all informations to install it

 

I wouldn't let a dealership with no aftermarket remote start experience touch this job with a 10 foot pole. Your best option is to sell the 5706V (locally, eBay, whatever) and buy whatever the local professional remote start installers are selling. A manual trans RX8 is the furthest thing from a beginner installation. And that's why I stopped helping you a year ago when you were thinking of installing it yourself. It's a bigger job than I can hold your hand through and it's not a job that should be undertaken by someone with no experience anyway. It's like asking me to walk you through an LS1 engine conversion when you've never picked up a socket wrench before....

Even as a reasonably experienced remote start install, a 5706V on a manual trans RX8 would still probably take me 5-6 hours by myself. Someone with no experience? Several days if they can get it working at all, and it'll still look like a rat's nest when finished. I'm saving you the heartache of wasting money and still having a destroyed RX8....