Kane

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Not yet - I am redoing my intake tract right now.... along with new water pump, powdercoating everything etc.... so I'll add it to the list.

chickenwafer

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Not to mention if you go blow-thru MAF you have a built in post compressor IAT sensor

Brettus

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True - if only someone would put the effort into making a blow through work .....

chickenwafer

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Someone with an Esmeril kit needs to setup up and do it! The BOV pipe needs to be changed, the whole top pipe needs to be 3.5" diameter.

Here's the MAF flange: http://www.kstech.biz/servlet/the-2/...ugh-MAF/Detail

Our MAF is a Denso element used in STi's and they run blow-thru all the time. It works. Someone just needs to do it. I would do it on my setup but obviously I can't fit a 3.5" 6" long straight pipe before the throttle body without serious re-working of the charge piping.

But if I ever build that custom kit I've been mulling around it will be blow-thru

turborx8

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YES!!!!!!

Somebody please do this. At least with a blow-thru you can run an open BOV without issues.

Would Jeff (MM) charge extra to tune a blow-thru system? Does it require any extra work over a draw-thru system?

The only downfall would be the temperature fluctuations. Stock inlet temps are pretty close to ambient. A blow thru setup will be all over the place and read higher than ambient.

Kane

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The main issue - is someones gotta set it up and see what the turbulence is; if you can get the airflow smooth you can tune it just like any other...

swoope

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wait,

i drove, i bought the adult beverages! i got no tuning!

but learned a lot and had fun.

i feel cheap and used..

beers

Kane

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That was what I was going for... LOL

You got to see behind the curtain... into the heart of the software.

turborx8

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ChrisRX8PR must be avoiding this topic because he has no intrest in making his turbo kit work with the Cobb AP. I guess I need to look at other options.

Highway8

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He has answered the question before. They designed the kit one way, they like the way it works, so why spend more time and money to change it. They feel the int-x provides more potential so changing it to work with the stock ECU limits how much power you can make.

Oh, and whats wrong with the inlet temp fluctuating? The temp fluctuates in a pull through system too, you just dont know it because your IAT sensor is pre turbo. Having the sensor post turbo just gives you the correct IAT. Ultimately it does not matter, its just extra data.

chickenwafer

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And what is the limit of the stock ECU?

You don't think opening up their kit to work with the most popular EMS option for the RX-8 is value-added (as Chris likes to say)? Not to mention the company that made the Int-X, Mazsport, it out of business so finding them in working condition is getting harder and harder?

shazy

true....

ChrisRX8PR

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I am not avoiding it by any means, I am just allowing the discussion to continue. We have actually been talking about making a small "Cobb adapter kit" that includes what is necessary to run the system with a Cobb. We are debating over putting it in the turbo intake (like it should be) or blow through like it is right now and turning that pipe into a 3.5" pipe and adding some grills before and after just for the purpose of having the Cobb. I just haven't brought it up on the forum because we don't even know if it will work at all and whenever I announce something it causes a massive inflow of emails with questions to which I probably don't have any answers yet. We listen to our potential customers, we are working on making it work with the Cobb. I will keep you posted, hopefully winter will not arrive until after we get this done or it might be carried over into spring.

Chris

bhop

IMO by spring you will have a more concrete answer, lol, in otherwords, "taking the time." This could work really well if steps taken correctly......

trial and error

stinksause

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if you get it to work with cobb, you sign me up

mysql101

Here's the AEM MAF air straightener that is used for MAF setups with not a lot of space to let the pipe naturally straighten the airflow.



http://www.jscspeed.com/mazdaspeed3/...raightener.htm

Highway8

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I agree it is a good way to grab more of the market, however if I remember correctly the stock maf sensor can only read enough air for 400-450 HP, more then enough for 95% of the market but as you know they are pushing the limits beyond that. Now if you steo up to a 3.75" intake or a 4" intake you can go even farther. There are some other thing esmeril does that wont work with the stock ecu. But it looks like they may consider making a blow through kit, which sound liek a good idea to me.

Mazsport did not make the int-x, they just supported it.

chickenwafer

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You can't go too big of a MAF pipe or the idle grams/sec will be too low

No one has really maxed out the stock MAF even on a 3.5" pipe, yet.

And Mazsport did make the Int-X, it was a Plug-n-play Microtech and isn't offered/found by anyone else. They recased a Microtech and made in PnP.

hkspoweredrx8

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wonder how long it will take to blow the motor on that kit =]

blackenedwings

An Esmeril kit with AccessPORT would be extremely sexy... Chris, you should do this for sure!

turborx8

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I will be one of the 1st customers if this does happen before the spring.

chickenwafer

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You're not selling your car?

Symbioticgenius

Hey you think running E-85 on an NA car would be a good Idea? Im thinking cooler and cleaner engine are definite, what about tune? could I tune it for more power NA, or would you only see benefits via Turbo + Ethanol?

Brettus

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Don't know abouit power but I do think it might be a great answer to all the early failures through carbon buildup .

turborx8

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Nope. I did some math and it makes no sense yet.

It's cheaper to dump another 10k into my car. Sad.