414 WHP Esmeril Racing Turbo RX-8
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all i want to know is at what RPM does full boost kick in. i love the fact that the MM turbo comes on to full boost before 4k rpm. how does the esmeril do?
the reason i ask, is that i will need good throttle response and quick boost when i am at the autocross track.
the reason i ask, is that i will need good throttle response and quick boost when i am at the autocross track.
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If you're in any type of competition with the RX-8, and you're below 6K rpms, than you are not driving the car properly.
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I forget precisely when I reach full boost, but I do know if you're at 6k there is zero issue, this thing spools right up when you're that high. If memory serves me right I think you get full boost around 5k or so, depending on the gear. I'll try to be more specific when the weather clears up and I sort out an issue with the car.
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Sometimes I just don't get it....There is a huge "want" factor regarding 400whp on a renesis and a benchmark is set and 2-3 years later when a company finally actually reaches it and provides proof then its not practical, and its not "reasonable" and so lets handicap everyone else...this is unbelievable to me.
Bottom line is....we gave you a 400whp+ Renesis...Period!
Chris
I think much of the need here is more with how turbo kits are marketed rather than their capability. I know owners with 500+ whp vehicles that make that power safely but a "reasonable" power level would be something safe to drive daily IMO.
Nobody is going to handicap you guys for this.
What owners and future buyers of the Esmeril kit should keep in mind is that, unless specified, the kit as it's currently shipped would need modifications and additional parts to reach the 400+whp goal. If the dyno plot was created using the kit as shipped I'd glady stand corrected.
Again, the MM kit was marketed at 310whp because MazdaManiac knows the kit will make that power with proper tuning on virturally every RX8 that uses it. If the kit makes more power then that's great! The idea is to avoid having customers buy your kit and then spamming you with upset emails and phone calls cause they didn't make 400whp like you said the kit would make.
The Esmerial turbo has the ability to flow more air but the sacrifice is the need for more time to build boost. It just goes to show you that it's critical to size a turbo for the application you intend. It's all a compromise.
Sorry for the long post!
Chris I'm in no way attempting to poke you guys. I think there's a great opportunity to contrast how products like this are marketed and you guys provided a great example of one way it's done. I hope that Esmeril customers are able to easily duplicate your results.
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^ I just found out Chris is daily driving that 414WHP tune. I assume once he can personally vouch for it's reliability, he may start marketing as such. And I'm pretty sure the modifications he has is the kit as shipped and the ignition upgrade. Crazy stuff.
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I agree with the sizing the turbo with the desired results. Thats why the TQ graff is what I like to see because I'm not looking for those hudge revs to make power. If this kit makes decent power Hp and Tq at a reasonable rev thats what matters, weather or not its at full boost doesn't matter to me. Lets see when all this happens.
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I just don't know why this thread doesn't get the hits that the RP Supercharger that never came out does! Come on guys no love here, I mean I'm not sold yet on anything but just to have the choice to have an Rx8 over 400hp and 300TQ is money! I'm still holding out to see what MM/BHR can do but this kit is definatly on my list. My only suggestion would be just to put the ignition upgrade into the kit and it will be a true 400HP 300TQ(my big dream) out of the box! What about the fuel pump? Mazsport always says it NEEDS to be upgraded, chris how do you feel about that?
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I just don't know why this thread doesn't get the hits that the RP Supercharger that never came out does! Come on guys no love here, I mean I'm not sold yet on anything but just to have the choice to have an Rx8 over 400hp and 300TQ is money! I'm still holding out to see what MM/BHR can do but this kit is definatly on my list. My only suggestion would be just to put the ignition upgrade into the kit and it will be a true 400HP 300TQ(my big dream) out of the box! What about the fuel pump? Mazsport always says it NEEDS to be upgraded, chris how do you feel about that?
Our kit brings a complete fuel upgrade including a new fuel pump and injectors. The included combination should be good to make it to 400whp safely. Our website has a general list of what's included as well as a few pics of the components.
Chris
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nice chris raitru bro ta cabron el turbo. i been researching and lookin at the dynos and this really caught my eye 414whp more then 300tq is awsome for rx8 owners on top of that they're about to market apex seals!!! my thought is if those apex seals are the real deal then we could posibily make more then 414whp and more TQ!!!!! lol so como yo dije nice job chris ill be lookin at your kit
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Kickass numbers!
Out of curiosity, if it's the apex seals that are prone to problems with detonation. How do you even approach the "first" tune. Since neither too rich or too lean is safe. One ping and you're gone? (forgive me for asking, I'm curious about all theory on these engines)
Out of curiosity, if it's the apex seals that are prone to problems with detonation. How do you even approach the "first" tune. Since neither too rich or too lean is safe. One ping and you're gone? (forgive me for asking, I'm curious about all theory on these engines)
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I'm sure the math gurus on this website could give some equations for approximate initial tune, if you asked nicely.
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Hey Chris, Ever sence I told you that your "included injectors" failed and I lost a motor, you haven't returned any of my many phone calls. What's up. Please dont give me any song and dance. Just call me. If you can't afford the call then tell me when I should call you.
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