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Old 12-07-2011, 09:29 AM
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Thanks, I will try and adjust it, I have it on full soft.
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So, when I go up hill, I can hear the turbo and sometimes when I let off the gas I hear a slight flutter. Keep in mind this is all under 3500RPM. I have the Greddy Type-R.
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sounds like compressor surge but you won't be able to tell until you get into boost.

the type-r should be compatible for your setup.

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Scott if you go into positive boost and you still have the surge flutter then you may need to make adjustments.
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Derrrr thats what I just said.
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Originally Posted by RotaryMachineRx
it got me thinking about the flutter sound I sometimes hear when I release the throttle when I'm at very small boost levels and part throttle only (between -5inhg and 1-2psi).... I don't hear the flutter at larger boost levels (greater than 2 psi); just a smooth gust of air releasing like you'd expect; so I was lead to believe that it is just my BOV fluttering....
Mine does the same. I've had multiple people tell me that is normal, but I still try to avoid it by either: letting off slowly or getting more into boost.
Old 12-07-2011, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ooobigfire
Mine does the same. I've had multiple people tell me that is normal, but I still try to avoid it by either: letting off slowly or getting more into boost.

Okay good to know... I'm feeling comfortable, and always have felt comfortable, with the idea that it's just the BOV fluttering....
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Yeah thats what it seems to be
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Originally Posted by RotaryMachineRx
See now this gets me thinking.... at the end of the fall before we parked our cars my roommate blew the bearing on his turbo (also uses SSQV on an SRT-4 Set-up) ..... it got me thinking about the flutter sound I sometimes hear when I release the throttle when I'm at very small boost levels and part throttle only (between -5inhg and 1-2psi). I took him for a spin to see if he was hearing the same thing on his car but he said it wasnt the same sound. I don't hear the flutter at larger boost levels (greater than 2 psi); just a smooth gust of air releasing like you'd expect; so I was lead to believe that it is just my BOV fluttering... Wish there was another Turbo 8 anywhere near me so I could listen but alas that is not the case..... Any input about that Brett....
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That fluttering sound you are hearing IS compressor surge - I'm almost positive of that . A BOV does not make that noise - there is a distinct difference between pssssht and kululululu . And those guys that say it is "normal" think that because it is soooooo common that it probably does seem "normal" to them .
Whether surge at that low level is a problem ....... I don't really know . What I do know is that my turbo has lasted a very long time - and I adjusted my BOV so that I didn't get ANY surge.
If your BOV is VTA , I would say that it is virtually impossible to avoid surge unless your BOV is a particularly good one. I found I had to adjust mine such that it was actually partially open at idle before it would do the job properly . Not a good thing if you are VTA but perfectly fine if you recirc.
Another side issue to this is part throttle boost - with a correctly adjusted BOV part throttle boost (potential boost spikes and uncontrollable spin outs) will be minimised.

Oh and BTW - the Greddy type R is NOT a good BOV .

I did a full writeup on this stuff a couple of years ago - see "boost control" .

https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-major-horsepower-upgrades-93/getting-most-out-your-greddy-turbo-without-breaking-bank-172542/

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Old 12-07-2011, 01:12 PM
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I read that thread. Why do you think the type R is not a good BOV? Think it's too big for our application?
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Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8
I read that thread. Why do you think the type R is not a good BOV? Think it's too big for our application?
No - not too big . Just not a good design.
PM Gregs - he has had more experience with those than I have .
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I got a knock off type RZ we can test out!
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Originally Posted by shadycrew31
I got a knock off type RZ we can test out!
I actually read up a bit on the Type R after receiving the kit and I found conflicting info. most reviews say it's great, some say it's for 20PSI and over setups but nothing definitive from any reliable source. It's popular with the supra crowd.

I wonder if the flange is the same for all the Greddy BOV's.
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I believe the r and rz are the same flange, the RZ replaced the poorly designed R. However mines a knock off so I just want to see if it will work at all !
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I have the hks ssq... one large question that comes to mind is whether it is a legit HKS bov or not. I get the flutter here and there but not if I hit any kind of positive boost.

my BOV does not have the screw on the back of it for adjustment so I am not sure how I would go about adjusting it.
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Cant adjust the ssq thats why its a piece of ****.
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I want the synapse diverter valve. It is ballin (literally it looks like a ball)

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i think you should tear it all down and start again... i mean seriously, what is another 4 months honestly
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Originally Posted by Grungepup
i think you should tear it all down and start again... i mean seriously, what is another 4 months honestly
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Originally Posted by Grungepup
i think you should tear it all down and start again... i mean seriously, what is another 4 months honestly
F@#k that, it's finally running right. It loves this cold weather but keeping the revs below 4,000RPM is like going to a strip club and not getting a lap dance.

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I want the synapse diverter valve. It is ballin (literally it looks like a ball)

Do they make a recirc fitting for that?
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Originally Posted by RWD+LSD=Zoom
I have the hks ssq... one large question that comes to mind is whether it is a legit HKS bov or not. I get the flutter here and there but not if I hit any kind of positive boost.

my BOV does not have the screw on the back of it for adjustment so I am not sure how I would go about adjusting it.
The ssqv is supposed to be one of the "good" ones because it has the two stage system . The smaller port should take care of the very scenario we are discussing here because it requires way less force to open it . Surprised to hear that it doesn't do that - maybe talk to other owners of that valve and see if theirs does the same .
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Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8
It loves this cold weather but keeping the revs below 4,000RPM is like going to a strip club and sitting in the parking lot.
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Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8
It loves this cold weather but keeping the revs below 4,000RPM is like going to a strip club and sitting in the parking lot reading a romantic novel.
Had to add the shady touch.
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Yeah both of those are good.


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