Axial Flow Supercharger
#4701
Originally Posted by DaveCM203
There are a lot of patents that I have seen that make me wonder why anyone would waste threir time and money to develop the idea much less get a patent on it. That was one of them.
Here is a list of stupid patents.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/crazy.html
Here is a list of stupid patents.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/crazy.html
#4702
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he bought everything from mr latham himself before the man died.so he still owns whatever has not fallen into the public domain. the company the name what ever trademarks and copyrights etc that mat still be in force
#4703
Originally Posted by zoom44
he bought everything from mr latham himself before the man died.so he still owns whatever has not fallen into the public domain. the company the name what ever trademarks and copyrights etc that mat still be in force
#4706
Originally Posted by guisslapp
As a patent attorney, I can speak from experience on this point. But I have seen many people make a load of money on patents most would think are "stupid." I have also helped many inventors get patents on inventions that I believe are truly useful and valuable, and some have never seen a penny of a return on their investments. The ability to effectively market an invention is usually more important than having a good idea.
Here's a good read about the value of patents (I don't entirely agree with everything he says, but he's not far off). http://www.tinaja.com/glib/casagpat.pdf
In the year 2006 173,772 patents were issued in the US. How many inventors actually receive royalties from their patents? With so many patents (over 1 Mio still effective) wouldn't there occasionally something be in the news from a large corporation paying royalties to an inventor? After all its a story that sells well.
No doubt, patents do have value, particularly for pharmaceutical companies. But as far as garage inventors and small companies are concerned, profit from patents is unfortunately almost always generated by the patent attorneys and not the inventors.
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The thing is that if you work for a company they usualy put you under contract that basicly sais your thoughts belong to them. I have a friend that has several patents. He works for a company that helps make cars safer. He gets no royalties since he works for the company. He is well compensated though.
#4708
I don't remember that the companies I worked for ever paid royalties to anybody nor do I remember that the companies I worked for ever received royalties from anybody. (Although I have never worked for a big corporation, I worked for companies with up to 900 employees). Companies do this because strong IP portfolios are well sellable to investors and to reduce the probability that competitors would bother them with law suits - nobody cares about royalties. (I've been working in R&D for the last 10 years in different companies and have my name on a bunch of patents too (this is part of your duty when you work in this field). And if we found a patented idea we've always found a way to work around it.)
#4711
Originally Posted by rotarygod
The only bad thing about a patent is that to file one you have to make all of the details of it public.
#4712
Originally Posted by globi
Well, it won't made public if one only files a provisional patent.
(A patent is not bad per se, but people ought to question the return on investment).
(A patent is not bad per se, but people ought to question the return on investment).
FWIW, assuming something has been filed, the only thing that could be holding up RP's patent application from being "accepted" (at least precluding him from being able to claim "patent pending") would be filing an incomplete application (or one that is too informal to get a filing date). The "examination" of the substance of the application will likely take more than a year or two unless RP qualifies for a "petition to make special."
#4714
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Yeah, but a provisional patent doesn't give you any enforcement rights. It merely preserves your filing date and allows you to say that your invention is "patent pending." If you never convert it to a nonprovisional application, it does nothing for you.
FWIW, assuming something has been filed, the only thing that could be holding up RP's patent application from being "accepted" (at least precluding him from being able to claim "patent pending") would be filing an incomplete application (or one that is too informal to get a filing date). The "examination" of the substance of the application will likely take more than a year or two unless RP qualifies for a "petition to make special."
FWIW, assuming something has been filed, the only thing that could be holding up RP's patent application from being "accepted" (at least precluding him from being able to claim "patent pending") would be filing an incomplete application (or one that is too informal to get a filing date). The "examination" of the substance of the application will likely take more than a year or two unless RP qualifies for a "petition to make special."
#4715
Originally Posted by hoosier
A question for the Patent Attorney. I worked for a company that was run by a Patent Attorney. I believe that the product developed was not invented by the owner himself but something he acquired during his work. The product was the first electronic dart board seen in many bars across the nation. How does this work and what are the ethics behind something like this?
#4716
Originally Posted by RCW
And how does this relate to the Axial Flow Supercharger? Not like we need this thread to be anylonger that it already is.
I think we are all just eager for this product to be released. It sounds like production/distribution/flash issues are the main hold-ups. The patent filing should not be THAT complicated. After all the patent application is considered "pending" the date you put a completed application in the mail to the USPTO (assuming you use the recommended mailing protocol). Sometimes it takes several weeks to receive your filing confirmation from the patent office, but the Express Mail receipt may be used as proof of filing.
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Originally Posted by RCW
And how does this relate to the Axial Flow Supercharger? Not like we need this thread to be anylonger that it already is.
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Originally Posted by Richard Paul
Next comes the real hang up, we are not getting our reflash from the source we wanted. It may happen but not right now. We are working with two other sources now but don't have their hardware on our car yet. We are doing tuning with a system that will not be coming with our kit.
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On the patent issue, our office has 32 patent plaques hanging on the walls, with a host of others pending. They are a pain to get implemented.
How was the Tahoe run?
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#4719
Originally Posted by RCW
And how does this relate to the Axial Flow Supercharger? Not like we need this thread to be anylonger that it already is.
Originally Posted by DaveCM203
Leave us alone.
We are trying our best to hold until the S/C is released. We are very anxious. In fact the Axial Flow is one of the main reasons I became a member. Well,...that and I saw a pic of Bunnygirl.
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Sorry if this is in some easily accessible spot that I overlooked, but are there any audio or video clips of this supercharger? I'd love to hear what it sounds like.
#4721
I had better hurry with my reverse engineering project of the AFSC. So far I have a blown up balloon and a pinwheel feeding more air into my Renesis. I am confident I can increase the .3 HP gain I am getting before Richard gets his patent. I am experimenting with stronger balloons, and various materials for the pinweel assembly.
I'll be taking orders soon.
I'll be taking orders soon.
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Originally Posted by wicked1044
Is This Coming Out Anytime Soon! Theres No Way Im Reading Through Over #)) Pages Of Crap> This Post Should Be Restarted>
The info is in one spot for the AF SC why spread it out?
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#4725
All I can say is RP's endevours have been splashed all over the internet in many other forums, and WHEN the AFSC is actually for retail sale, it will change the ENTIRE world of aftermarket supercharging.
I predict that either RP (AFE) will be picked up by a larger firm to continue work for other platforms, or AFE will need to add a few thousand ft^2 of production and a few hundred employees.
I predict that either RP (AFE) will be picked up by a larger firm to continue work for other platforms, or AFE will need to add a few thousand ft^2 of production and a few hundred employees.