Axial Flow Supercharger
05-02-2007, 10:55 AM
#5001
Originally Posted by Floyd
Richard never intended for this to be a play with it/tuner type of kit. From my earlier understanding in the thread this is going to be as close to a set it and forget it kit as you can get. Which is just fine by me 
05-02-2007, 10:56 AM
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Personally i would much rather see a software/dongle package kit first and foremost. This will really keep the price down.
if they decided to develop a handheld unit later that is fine, as long as it doesnt delay the release of the initial software/dongle package for the rx8.
if they decided to develop a handheld unit later that is fine, as long as it doesnt delay the release of the initial software/dongle package for the rx8.
05-02-2007, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by eviltwinkie
Yea except that it would be helpful to sell the units to tuners and let them worry about it. Mazsport I bet could get it to work pretty well and then sell it as a kit. It would be higher priced than the final product from Richard, but at least you could get SOME market traction and installations going. Why just sit on your thumbs and NOT make money when you could start selling the units NOW and make money while your waiting for COBB? Makes financial sense to me...but then again when I make products I usually try to sell them.
05-02-2007, 11:03 AM
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The clock doen't start ticking untill the sale of the first unit. You can't exactly start counting the life sapan of a product from the start of it's R&D. If you could the RX-8 would be about 8 years old, not 4.
05-02-2007, 11:07 AM
#5006
I'm pretty sure that the AFSC itself has bugs worked out. It's the EMU/Tuning that is said to be the hold up. We KNOW that other people out there have the experience to tackle that problem. And while I understand that he cant focus his time on this because he has other things to do which make him money...well that problem can be remedied...sell the units themselves to anyone who wants them with NO warranty...I am POSITIVE a tuner will pick one up...and sell it as a (albeit more expensive) kit. He sells units...keeps his focus on the other things...and makes money both ways until COBB releases and he can devote some time to this project to finally sell it as he intended as a kit for a lower price. You then have two options...the "standard" plug and play kit...or the "High-Power" (cause you know thats what will happen) kit from a third party tuner. Any way you slice it...he's is selling UNITS and turning a profit.
I miss anything?
I miss anything?
05-02-2007, 11:12 AM
#5009
Originally Posted by eviltwinkie
I'm pretty sure that the AFSC itself has bugs worked out. It's the EMU/Tuning that is said to be the hold up. We KNOW that other people out there have the experience to tackle that problem. And while I understand that he cant focus his time on this because he has other things to do which make him money...well that problem can be remedied...sell the units themselves to anyone who wants them with NO warranty...I am POSITIVE a tuner will pick one up...and sell it as a (albeit more expensive) kit. He sells units...keeps his focus on the other things...and makes money both ways until COBB releases and he can devote some time to this project to finally sell it as he intended as a kit for a lower price. You then have two options...the "standard" plug and play kit...or the "High-Power" (cause you know thats what will happen) kit from a third party tuner. Any way you slice it...he's is selling UNITS and turning a profit.
I miss anything?
I miss anything?
05-02-2007, 11:13 AM
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I'm just talking about making money. Plain and simple. He's got units...he can turn a profit. Hell I would probably want to only buy the SC itself so I can build my own setup anyway. Sucks I have to wait for a "kit" only to dismantle it to get what I wanted out of it.
05-02-2007, 11:14 AM
#5011
Originally Posted by alnielsen
If he supplies someone else as a oem , they go aggressive and make more power (with their tune) than he does, then he sells less units for less money.
05-02-2007, 11:21 AM
#5012
Originally Posted by alnielsen
He also looses controll of the unit. If engines blow, who gets the blame?
If a third party tuner sells the kit and the engine blows...you go back to the tuner. It's like purchasing a turbo kit from mazsport. If the kit blows your motor do you go back and bitch out turbonetics since it was THIER snail? No...you go to the vendor of the kit.
05-04-2007, 01:41 AM
#5013
I just got my computer back from a week in the sick computer hospital. I havn't tried all the programs but everything is supposed to work. Maybe I can put in pictures now.
Anyway I will confirm that we are talking with Cobb Tuning. I don't have much more inside info then some of you have so I will not call out dates.
I will say that I think this is a great match for the AFSC.
At this moment we have plans to ship our car up to Utah at the end of the month for some match up work. Trey tells me he can tune the car right now but the suppling of production type hardware is waiting on some fine componant rework and vender interface parts. They are a proven commodity and I beleive them.
As you guys know I am out of water when it comes to computer work. I can tell you the reason why we will not release the SC before we have our own electronics. If we give it to someone who blows an engine or just has poor results it will damage the image even if it is not our fault.
It's would be bad enough if we did something wrong but at least we would be getting because we screwed up. This doesn't mean that we will not sell it bare after the kit is out. Then we could always defend ourselves by pointing to good installationss. I'm not saying someone can't do it better, maybe they can but we need to be conservitive.
Anyway I will confirm that we are talking with Cobb Tuning. I don't have much more inside info then some of you have so I will not call out dates.
I will say that I think this is a great match for the AFSC.
At this moment we have plans to ship our car up to Utah at the end of the month for some match up work. Trey tells me he can tune the car right now but the suppling of production type hardware is waiting on some fine componant rework and vender interface parts. They are a proven commodity and I beleive them.
As you guys know I am out of water when it comes to computer work. I can tell you the reason why we will not release the SC before we have our own electronics. If we give it to someone who blows an engine or just has poor results it will damage the image even if it is not our fault.
It's would be bad enough if we did something wrong but at least we would be getting because we screwed up. This doesn't mean that we will not sell it bare after the kit is out. Then we could always defend ourselves by pointing to good installationss. I'm not saying someone can't do it better, maybe they can but we need to be conservitive.
05-04-2007, 02:19 AM
#5015
Originally Posted by Richard Paul
I just got my computer back from a week in the sick computer hospital. I havn't tried all the programs but everything is supposed to work. Maybe I can put in pictures now.
Anyway I will confirm that we are talking with Cobb Tuning. I don't have much more inside info then some of you have so I will not call out dates.
I will say that I think this is a great match for the AFSC.
At this moment we have plans to ship our car up to Utah at the end of the month for some match up work. Trey tells me he can tune the car right now but the suppling of production type hardware is waiting on some fine componant rework and vender interface parts. They are a proven commodity and I beleive them.
As you guys know I am out of water when it comes to computer work. I can tell you the reason why we will not release the SC before we have our own electronics. If we give it to someone who blows an engine or just has poor results it will damage the image even if it is not our fault.
It's would be bad enough if we did something wrong but at least we would be getting because we screwed up. This doesn't mean that we will not sell it bare after the kit is out. Then we could always defend ourselves by pointing to good installationss. I'm not saying someone can't do it better, maybe they can but we need to be conservitive.
Anyway I will confirm that we are talking with Cobb Tuning. I don't have much more inside info then some of you have so I will not call out dates.
I will say that I think this is a great match for the AFSC.
At this moment we have plans to ship our car up to Utah at the end of the month for some match up work. Trey tells me he can tune the car right now but the suppling of production type hardware is waiting on some fine componant rework and vender interface parts. They are a proven commodity and I beleive them.
As you guys know I am out of water when it comes to computer work. I can tell you the reason why we will not release the SC before we have our own electronics. If we give it to someone who blows an engine or just has poor results it will damage the image even if it is not our fault.
It's would be bad enough if we did something wrong but at least we would be getting because we screwed up. This doesn't mean that we will not sell it bare after the kit is out. Then we could always defend ourselves by pointing to good installationss. I'm not saying someone can't do it better, maybe they can but we need to be conservitive.
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05-04-2007, 08:45 AM
#5016
Originally Posted by Richard Paul
I just got my computer back from a week in the sick computer hospital. I havn't tried all the programs but everything is supposed to work. Maybe I can put in pictures now.
Anyway I will confirm that we are talking with Cobb Tuning. I don't have much more inside info then some of you have so I will not call out dates.
I will say that I think this is a great match for the AFSC.
At this moment we have plans to ship our car up to Utah at the end of the month for some match up work. Trey tells me he can tune the car right now but the suppling of production type hardware is waiting on some fine componant rework and vender interface parts. They are a proven commodity and I beleive them.
As you guys know I am out of water when it comes to computer work. I can tell you the reason why we will not release the SC before we have our own electronics. If we give it to someone who blows an engine or just has poor results it will damage the image even if it is not our fault.
It's would be bad enough if we did something wrong but at least we would be getting because we screwed up. This doesn't mean that we will not sell it bare after the kit is out. Then we could always defend ourselves by pointing to good installationss. I'm not saying someone can't do it better, maybe they can but we need to be conservitive.
Anyway I will confirm that we are talking with Cobb Tuning. I don't have much more inside info then some of you have so I will not call out dates.
I will say that I think this is a great match for the AFSC.
At this moment we have plans to ship our car up to Utah at the end of the month for some match up work. Trey tells me he can tune the car right now but the suppling of production type hardware is waiting on some fine componant rework and vender interface parts. They are a proven commodity and I beleive them.
As you guys know I am out of water when it comes to computer work. I can tell you the reason why we will not release the SC before we have our own electronics. If we give it to someone who blows an engine or just has poor results it will damage the image even if it is not our fault.
It's would be bad enough if we did something wrong but at least we would be getting because we screwed up. This doesn't mean that we will not sell it bare after the kit is out. Then we could always defend ourselves by pointing to good installationss. I'm not saying someone can't do it better, maybe they can but we need to be conservitive.
Good to know that your planning on selling it bare. Thanks for the update.
05-04-2007, 09:38 AM
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Hopefully there will be a website or somethign with specific specs and pricing when this reaches its release date? For someone who has not forged through 325 pages up until now... the info on the kit is like a needle in a haystack.
05-04-2007, 09:38 AM
#5019
Originally Posted by Richard Paul
At this moment we have plans to ship our car up to Utah at the end of the month for some match up work.
j/k - good luck to both of you, and sorry for getting pissy about you not posting. PC's are at times just like women, can't live with them and you can't live without them.
05-04-2007, 11:19 AM
#5023
Originally Posted by Floyd
LOL Does that go for women too?
05-04-2007, 11:20 AM
#5024
Originally Posted by swoope
they dont say its done till it is in the can..
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