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Old 12-16-2007, 01:18 PM
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No, the AWP jet air nozzle doesn't flow nearly as much air as the idle air bleed.
Plus, isn't Cam sending the JAB and the OMP vent to the MAF housing now (another pilfered fix)?
The IAB will flow as much as 2g/sec!
Old 12-16-2007, 01:41 PM
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Its in the 60's here today.
I never really got a satisfactory resolution to my questions about the OMP nozzles and boost, other than discovering that my previous engines had bad check valves.
The idle mass is about 4g/sec.
On Jesse's car, the MAF was reading about 2.8g/sec. Pushing it up to 3.9g/sec stabilized the idle (stoich A/F and far less fuel trim), but that amounted to a 40% correction in the airflow table on the EMU.
It probably could have taken another 10%!

We stopped tuning that way at that point because that much unmetered air is unacceptable to me.
Old 12-16-2007, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
How does you "push up" the MAF reading on Jesse's car? I don't know what that entails/means.
He's wired for the EMU, so I just go into the airflow meter map and add to the values - essentially what the flash tuner is doing for Pettit.

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The only thing I can think of on the OMP check valves is that they need zero pressure differential to flow properly.
My thought as well.
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And I felt bad jacking the Esmeril thread ! ...... heh
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yea we need to get this discussion back to where it belongs
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^Since this thing is never going to see the light of day on the RX8, I think this thread is fair game...
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I would love to see a new thread about the hose routing in a N/A setup vs a turbo setup vs a supercharger setup. Currently this info seems to be spread out all over the place. Same goes for MAF vs MAP and MAF tube size.

The really good thing about all of this is that we are starting to unleash the true potential of the Renesis...
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I totally agree tdiddy---start it up!
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Originally Posted by olddragger
I totally agree tdiddy---start it up!
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why...might as well use this one...heh so at the end of the day we can say that we got something outta this thread...
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I would but I need to go shovel some snow. Can anyone else do it?
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haha, you guys talk up and up and then everyone backs down.
Pussies.
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Originally Posted by tdiddy
I would love to see a new thread about the hose routing in a N/A setup vs a turbo setup vs a supercharger setup. Currently this info seems to be spread out all over the place. Same goes for MAF vs MAP and MAF tube size.

The really good thing about all of this is that we are starting to unleash the true potential of the Renesis...
Done:

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?p=2194012
Old 12-17-2007, 01:19 AM
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so let me get this straight, all it is is a lil tube to put in the intake line? so could i have the Pettit SuperCharger and your Supercharger at the same time?
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Originally Posted by lilring
so let me get this straight, all it is is a lil tube to put in the intake line? so could i have the Pettit SuperCharger and your Supercharger at the same time?
that is so far from straight, its on the verge of burning down the house at the steel mill during a disco inferno...
Old 12-17-2007, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by eviltwinkie
that is so far from straight, its on the verge of burning down the house at the steel mill during a disco inferno...
wtf are you doing up so late? being evil???
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10 til 4 - i really need to sleep
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Originally Posted by paulmasoner
wtf are you doing up so late? being evil???
err...the concept of late/early is purely a human conceived notion...just like breakfast, lunch, or dinner...

its still all the same for me...

that said...yes...of course I'm being evil...wtf else is there to do?
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Bump

All,

I have been following this thread from the beginning and I was really excited about this product (waiting very very patiently). I am concerned that is not going to happen with all the negativity I have seen lately. Can some one please confirm if the AFSC is gonna happen? Just a quick note from RP would nice to let us know hes still around and thinking about us.

I am about to get rid of this car due to all the nagging little things that keep popping up. Would be really nice if I could make it so special that I cant afford to get rid of it. This vehicle was going to be a lifetime car for me that I kept in the garage and showed off from time to time.

RP (or whoever can speak to this).... lets us know whats going on or everyone is going to lose interest.
Old 12-18-2007, 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
PM RP himself and you'll find that the statements where we say that the project is unlikely to happen are not mere skepticisms and negativity. Rather, these staements are born from having spoken to RP himself and, in some cases, really smart people having helped him along the way only to make certain discoveries.
Now this is odd. What discoveries? What was discovered that made RP possibly shut down the AFSC project? I thought the man was waiting on COBB.
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Would you develop a product for sale if there was a high risk that it would not turn a profit?

Considering the choices and costs of FI available today the sales & profit potentials are pretty limited.
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It's not that. Well, not only that.
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RP has a lot of stuff going on and lets face it the FI market for the rx8 is pretty small and the production of an axial flow s.c. is not exactly easy.
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If this were a year ago I think more people would be willing to accept the product not coming to fruition. The things that's so hard to swallow is we all thought the AFSC hardware was complete, just waiting for the final piece of the puzzle in the fuel controller from Cobb. Does this mean that the AFSC will not be developed for the S2000 or any other car? It just seems like an awefully long road for Richard to travel to simply give up at the end. Unless of course there was an inherent flaw or incompatibility with the Rotary he recently discovered, or in fact he learned that Cobb would not be able to deliver.

I think a a statement from Richard is in order. More importantly than money, he had our our faith, and think all of us would like to hear the news, good or bad, straight from the horses mouth. It also would certainly help to consider buying other things from his company in the future.
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I have talked to RP about helping with the AFSC S2000 when it comes time.


My S2000 will already have a Hot side Roots supercharger and components installed so it should be an easy fix to modify the brackets and install the AFSC.
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Originally Posted by emailists
Unless of course there was an inherent flaw or incompatibility with the Rotary he recently discovered, or in fact he learned that Cobb would not be able to deliver.
Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
Now you are onto something.........
I'm going out on a limb here and tying these two together. If I had to guess I'd say it was the latter since the ECU flashing seems to have a solution.


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