Axial Flow Supercharger
#1454
I thought I told you guys that we just cut some new blades last week. These are a new aerodynamic blend. This has to be done before we can do any tuning. Also we have not decided which end to bring the inlet in. I hope to assemble the compressor this week.
I could take pictures but you can't see the difference from the prior design. By eye I can't even tell the difference if I held them in my hand!
We are going to be getting our own Rx8 in the next two weeks so the fitting to the car can begin. Then I can post progressive pictures. I'm working on the electronics now so they can be developed concurently.
I still don't know about the intake manifold, if it will be replaced by a custom one.
Kyle is right, buy a shifter and wait.
I could take pictures but you can't see the difference from the prior design. By eye I can't even tell the difference if I held them in my hand!
We are going to be getting our own Rx8 in the next two weeks so the fitting to the car can begin. Then I can post progressive pictures. I'm working on the electronics now so they can be developed concurently.
I still don't know about the intake manifold, if it will be replaced by a custom one.
Kyle is right, buy a shifter and wait.
#1455
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Richard, I've been thinking about the inlet design/location. Part of me wants one with the front inlet/rear outlet configuration but another part of me says to keep it like it is. I guess we'll have to wait until we see one on a car to determine which is best.
#1459
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Do we get to be on any preferred buyers list for the AFSC if we buy a shifter?
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Hey richard, just curious. What would happen if a foriegn object passed through the blades. Is the AFSC like a blender? I once watched a bird pass through the engine of an f-14. I was in the control tower of a naval station.. my buddy was an ATC and was giving me a tour.
#1462
you get an instant smoothie. free.
I remember seeing a video clip of some guy on an aircraft carrier go through a jet intake and out the other side. He had a helmet on, and apparently came through the other side ok.
I figure this is the right thread to ask, so, do any of you remember this clip? I remember reading that the guy survived, how would that happen?
I remember seeing a video clip of some guy on an aircraft carrier go through a jet intake and out the other side. He had a helmet on, and apparently came through the other side ok.
I figure this is the right thread to ask, so, do any of you remember this clip? I remember reading that the guy survived, how would that happen?
#1463
If a hard object went through I will sell you a new compressor section. The rest of the parts will be ok. Why would something go through the blower? Where was the aircleaner? Now I'll admit it has happened, but that was with the big one with Carter carburator where someone droped a couple of jets down. In that case it took out some blades.
So don't put things in there. What supercharger can injest parts and not get hurt?
Now as to that guy on the AC, he did not go through. Because there is a tract in there he was stuck before he got to the grinder. Because they keep the inlet air subsonic it is nessasary to have some shutters or dams that change shape depending on airspeed.
I did see that film clip, very scary. Don't linger by the inlet of a running engine.
Not even Hudini could go through and come out whole. When they develop jet engines they test them for bird damage. They slingshot 2lbs frozen chickens in a running engine. It just comes out chicken patte'. Hot.
Now as to priority lists there will be a fair way of doing that, I just don't know how it is going to work. There is no freebi SC with the magic S/N shifter.
So don't put things in there. What supercharger can injest parts and not get hurt?
Now as to that guy on the AC, he did not go through. Because there is a tract in there he was stuck before he got to the grinder. Because they keep the inlet air subsonic it is nessasary to have some shutters or dams that change shape depending on airspeed.
I did see that film clip, very scary. Don't linger by the inlet of a running engine.
Not even Hudini could go through and come out whole. When they develop jet engines they test them for bird damage. They slingshot 2lbs frozen chickens in a running engine. It just comes out chicken patte'. Hot.
Now as to priority lists there will be a fair way of doing that, I just don't know how it is going to work. There is no freebi SC with the magic S/N shifter.
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I just had an image of mice going through the compressor for some reason, so I thought I'd ask
It's cool that you can just slap on a new compressor section and not have to send it off to be repaired, or get a new one. (or is that the case?)
It's cool that you can just slap on a new compressor section and not have to send it off to be repaired, or get a new one. (or is that the case?)
Originally Posted by Richard Paul
If a hard object went through I will sell you a new compressor section. The rest of the parts will be ok. Why would something go through the blower? Where was the aircleaner? Now I'll admit it has happened, but that was with the big one with Carter carburator where someone droped a couple of jets down. In that case it took out some blades.
So don't put things in there. What supercharger can injest parts and not get hurt?
Now as to that guy on the AC, he did not go through. Because there is a tract in there he was stuck before he got to the grinder. Because they keep the inlet air subsonic it is nessasary to have some shutters or dams that change shape depending on airspeed.
I did see that film clip, very scary. Don't linger by the inlet of a running engine.
Not even Hudini could go through and come out whole. When they develop jet engines they test them for bird damage. They slingshot 2lbs frozen chickens in a running engine. It just comes out chicken patte'. Hot.
Now as to priority lists there will be a fair way of doing that, I just don't know how it is going to work. There is no freebi SC with the magic S/N shifter.
So don't put things in there. What supercharger can injest parts and not get hurt?
Now as to that guy on the AC, he did not go through. Because there is a tract in there he was stuck before he got to the grinder. Because they keep the inlet air subsonic it is nessasary to have some shutters or dams that change shape depending on airspeed.
I did see that film clip, very scary. Don't linger by the inlet of a running engine.
Not even Hudini could go through and come out whole. When they develop jet engines they test them for bird damage. They slingshot 2lbs frozen chickens in a running engine. It just comes out chicken patte'. Hot.
Now as to priority lists there will be a fair way of doing that, I just don't know how it is going to work. There is no freebi SC with the magic S/N shifter.
#1465
For you fashion consious people we are going to anodize the center section but it will come in red only. Why? Because that is my color. The following people will get their choice of colors.
1) If you are a beautifull woman
2) If you have enough money to bribe me
3) If you are 7' 2" and weigh 340 lbs.
The compressor section is the supercharger. Everything else is just there to hold it. It's the blades that cost the money. Or more accuretly the little space between the blades.
1) If you are a beautifull woman
2) If you have enough money to bribe me
3) If you are 7' 2" and weigh 340 lbs.
The compressor section is the supercharger. Everything else is just there to hold it. It's the blades that cost the money. Or more accuretly the little space between the blades.
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Red is sweet.
Originally Posted by Richard Paul
For you fashion consious people we are going to anodize the center section but it will come in red only. Why? Because that is my color. The following people will get their choice of colors.
1) If you are a beautifull woman
2) If you have enough money to bribe me
3) If you are 7' 2" and weigh 340 lbs.
1) If you are a beautifull woman
2) If you have enough money to bribe me
3) If you are 7' 2" and weigh 340 lbs.
#1467
I've seen the clip with the guy who gets sucked in several times, they even interviewed him for MAX tv, His helmet was swepped off his head and stopped the engine (after what looked like an explosion and flames coming out the back) and they pulled him out the same side he went in. They showed pics of him afterwards too, he was bruised to hell with a black eye and his uniform was ripped in a bunch of places because of the high speed winds.
I want to say that he broke some bones but I don't remember if that's correct or not.
I want to say that he broke some bones but I don't remember if that's correct or not.
#1468
Originally Posted by Richard Paul
1) If you are a beautifull woman
2) If you have enough money to bribe me
3) If you are 7' 2" and weigh 340 lbs.
2) If you have enough money to bribe me
3) If you are 7' 2" and weigh 340 lbs.
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Originally Posted by robertdot
If I find a 7'2", 340 lbs, okay-looking woman to ask you for another color, would you consider it?
#1471
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Hey Richard, I was wondering if you had any old dyno sheets of other engines that used this FI setup. I'm curious as to what kind of increases other cars saw. It might have been asked already but nearing 100 pages, it's daunting to have to sift through everything. If you could post some up, or even just explain why it'll be different on the rotary(I'm not sure how similar this setup would run on a piston engine). Thanks Richard.
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I could be wrong.. but I believe that he has not developed a AFSC for any other application before this one. And is currently working on one for the 8 and for the S2000. He purchased and owned all things Latham and was maintaining that technology.
Most of that stuff is older, on older vehicles.
I just wanted to test my RP trivia =) lets see if I was close!
Most of that stuff is older, on older vehicles.
I just wanted to test my RP trivia =) lets see if I was close!
Originally Posted by Aoshi Shinomori
Hey Richard, I was wondering if you had any old dyno sheets of other engines that used this FI setup. I'm curious as to what kind of increases other cars saw. It might have been asked already but nearing 100 pages, it's daunting to have to sift through everything. If you could post some up, or even just explain why it'll be different on the rotary(I'm not sure how similar this setup would run on a piston engine). Thanks Richard.
#1474
Well I don't know if you are right, it depends on what you ment. I designed and built the Latham that I relesed in 1983. That was entirely my own design, it just used the old name. The current blower under development is also a new design but has it's roots in the '83 design. That said I have learned an awfull lot in 20 years. Plus the manufacturing method has benifited much from recent CAD/CAM advances. Also the machine tool controls have improved.
To answer the other question, I will post some test data as soon as I find it and set up my new scanner. A test by Airflow Research For Car Craft tested 4 blowers againsr each otherr all limited to 7 psi. My unit added twice what the next best blower did.
Something like 70hp vs 143hp. baseline was 320hp
I'll find a copy of it. Hymee has a copy and probably has a scanner and knows how to use it. Don't you Hymee?
To answer the other question, I will post some test data as soon as I find it and set up my new scanner. A test by Airflow Research For Car Craft tested 4 blowers againsr each otherr all limited to 7 psi. My unit added twice what the next best blower did.
Something like 70hp vs 143hp. baseline was 320hp
I'll find a copy of it. Hymee has a copy and probably has a scanner and knows how to use it. Don't you Hymee?
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Ahh, cool history. What vehicles were the 83 design implimented on? (you should be nearing 100!)
Originally Posted by Richard Paul
Well I don't know if you are right, it depends on what you ment. I designed and built the Latham that I relesed in 1983. That was entirely my own design, it just used the old name. The current blower under development is also a new design but has it's roots in the '83 design. That said I have learned an awfull lot in 20 years. Plus the manufacturing method has benifited much from recent CAD/CAM advances. Also the machine tool controls have improved.
To answer the other question, I will post some test data as soon as I find it and set up my new scanner. A test by Airflow Research For Car Craft tested 4 blowers againsr each otherr all limited to 7 psi. My unit added twice what the next best blower did.
Something like 70hp vs 143hp. baseline was 320hp
I'll find a copy of it. Hymee has a copy and probably has a scanner and knows how to use it. Don't you Hymee?
To answer the other question, I will post some test data as soon as I find it and set up my new scanner. A test by Airflow Research For Car Craft tested 4 blowers againsr each otherr all limited to 7 psi. My unit added twice what the next best blower did.
Something like 70hp vs 143hp. baseline was 320hp
I'll find a copy of it. Hymee has a copy and probably has a scanner and knows how to use it. Don't you Hymee?