Nigandahu

Seems like it would make sense to form an alignment at a much discounted price. Its better to recieve lets say 30% or so of your wanted price on thousands of units then your full price on dozens.

Sigma

Really, if Richard was to source MazSport's unit, or some derivative thereof, it would probably be a tiny fraction of the cost of buying the unit seperately. The fixed cost of a piggyback are very very small, everything above and beyond that is profit and goes towards the months of R&D involved and any expenses that involved.

If MazSport doesn't do it, it's loss money right off the bat. RP will find another way to do it on his own. If they do do it, they can at least make a moderate profit off every kit sold. That's better than nothing.

The business decision for MazSport comes down to whether or not they believe sufficient enough people will buy their ECU in addition to RP's supercharger, and whether providing it in the kit at a lower margin to everyone is better or worse than selling it at full margin to the number of people that would buy their ECU anyways.

I'd say it's a safe bet to give it to RP at a low margin. I imagine that most people going the supercharger route are going to be more conservative than your turbo guys and aren't likely to buy his ECU on their own in large quantities. And it has the benefit of getting their ECU out there and generating reputation with all the SC buyers on top of the big reputation boost it gets simply by being sourced for use in another company's product.

timbo

^^ well put. The volume market for MazSport's unit is alongside mods like this, so they need to price it right so it's a no-brainer for RP

rotarygod

You guys are assuming that Mazsport doesn't pay much for these. It is very possible that they pay more for it themselves than Richard is willing to pay for one at all. That is highly likely. We don't know what that amount is. Richard is interested in the Megasquirt concept. Not because he will actually end up using it but because it shows that you can get the desired control for a very low cost. All he would have to do is buy the raw parts, hire a couple of part time hourly people and have them make ecu boards and harnesses all day. He could have a couple hundred dollars in raw parts (and that's assuming he doesn't buy in bulk) for each unit and then have maybe $50 labor devoted towards assembling each one. That is cheap. I guarantee that is MUCH cheaper than what Mazsport is paying for each system themselves and why they couldn't work out a good enough deal with him. I seriously doubt they make these on sight. Now I only use that as an example of what Richard's goal is for a solution in terms of cost. It isn't to say that he will use a Megasquirt. He'd have to work out a deal with the designers of it to sell in with a large kit since he isn't a lone hobbyist building one for personal use.

Even if Mazsport was paying only half of what they are selling it for, and I suspect it is much more than that, we are still talking about $800 or so. This is just an example I made up so don't think they are ripping you off. Whatever Richard has to pay is going to show itself in the kit as more than that amount added on it's own to a kit price. He does want to do it right but he also wants to give people more affordable solutions. Right now people are paying $3500 for turbo kits that have unreliable control. Then those people need to spend $1600 or more just to get it to run like it should. We are talking about well over $5000 when it is all said and done. He doesn't want a $5000+ kit that performs like everyone elses. He wants a cheaper kit that at the very least least performs as well or but hopefully outdoes them. Electronic parts are cheap. Why does putting them all together into one box have to be so much more costly than buying the CNC machinery, designing a product from scratch, and then paying for the material to make a product, develop a kit, and then market it? If anything the supercharger should cost $4900 and the control for it should be $100. That would be more accurate of how much they are worth. I also made those numbers up. That's why he doesn't want to pay alot for an ecu option. His work and product is very expensive already. He doesn't want the ecu to be what pushes the price point so high that only 2 people on the planet will buy one.

The Mazsport ecu is a great unit that can definitely do everything that Richard needs it to do. Not insulting them one bit. They have given the community something it needs and has wanted and we should all thank them for it. It just isn't going to be cost effective to supply it with Richard's supercharger. Those that are willing to could use it with his unit if they were to purchase it on their own but suddenly I think that many will feel it isn't worth all the extra money at that point on top of his unit. That would push the price up to what he would probably have to charge if he included it so you can see iwhy t wouldn't sell well.

staticlag

Richard, if you need labor I have experience with soldering and electronics. I'm willing to work for dirt cheap and I really mean dirt! If I can get a discount on your SC kit. I'm still in college so I am available for fall break, winter break, or spring break depending on your timeframe.

John Corbitt

Altenators need outside voltage to excite a field.
Generators have fixed magnets and are self excited.

The plane I fly has 3 phase 115v ac generators.

John

zoom44

just saw this as i was reading back thru. did i miss something richard? i havent received a pm from you.

Richard Paul

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OMG, what a ******* nightmare. Bought an engine and having it removed from the car, so I need the computer stuff and the loom, right. Cheeezzz, what a mess of wiring. And all of it goes together. I have to take everything in the damn car including the fuse box and gas pedal. Do I need to take the glove box light too? Or maybe the wiper switch.

When I get it on the shop floor I'll take some pictures complete with the loom.
Anyway I can see why Hymee says he will test his on the dyno with Motec. There is no way I'm going to hook all this **** up on the dyno my own self. I wondered why Racing Beats dyno had all those fuse boxes and wires hanging throughout the room. But they have a reason as they are trying to work on the stock ECU.

This should speed things up by having an engine on the stand. To make RotaryGod happy I'm redesigning the blower to have an inlet at the front and axial discharge from the rear. Thanks to Fred this is a lot of work. The whole thing needs to be redesigned, only the compressor section itself stays the same. It will take some time now but the install will be easier and look better. Plans are for a 40 degree inlet with injectors on the other side. That should package nicely. It will not work for the S2k though so now there will be two different blowers. Not exactly economical for us though.

Car specific blowers makes for higher prices. You guys better wait for this because I need to sell a few to cover this cost.

Zoom check your PM

guy321

Can I just trade you my first born? He'll make an excellent indentured servant!

Spazm

Thank god I just got a new position....30% raise isn't bad. Too bad in CA the highest tax bracket is so low compared to what income you need to actually get along out here.

I'll be waiting RP!

zoom44

thanks richard i read the pm. and i wondered about those s2k guys too. thanks for the extra effort that damn Fred is gonaa cost us all money


but you're selling one to me thats for sure

rotarygod

Woohoo, I'd had a say in something!!! It's even more fun when it's a pain in the ***!!! :D

Ajax

And I was going to buy you a beer at 7stock.. and here you go costing us all more money! You bastard!

Now that i really think about it, we all probably owe you several beers anyway for making our lives more convenient..

but you're still a bastard!

Hymee

iTrader: (1)

Which one of you bastards called this bastard a bastard?

rotarygod

If he'd have done it right the first time, it wouldn't have cost anymore!

zoom44

oh you did not say that

Lock & Load

Make us all happy and finish this project heck i dont care if its doggy style or missionary :D

B...free
michael

Moostafa29

Reverse cowgirl? :p

olddragger

iTrader: (3)

since this is closer to becoming reality I gues I might need to sell a guiter and my oridginal hank williams album---damn!
I cant believe you are doing what RG wants ! Just get him to talking about syntetic (hell I cant even spell it!) oil and he will forget about everything else! Go Dude!
Can I be a bastard too?
Olddragger

Richard Paul

iTrader: (5)

Can I be a bastard too?
Olddragger[/QUOTE]


Anyone who hangs out with Hymee and/or Gomez can be a Bastard no problem.


Reverse cowgirl? At my age there is something I haven't tried????
Call Kat Girl, she's coming over from Hawaii in a few days. Tell her to supprise me.

Photic

Reverse Cowgirl: Shes on top facing away from you and you'd be the bull :D

Richard Paul

iTrader: (5)

That's so old as to be boring. If you told Kat Woman that she'd laugh you off the forum. She has tricks there are no names for. At least I don't know them. Then again I didn't know that cow girl name either. :o

rotarygod

Just remember Richard that if she's riding you but facing away from you, she's probably pretending she's on someone else!

zoom44

ok can we get away fromthis subject please?

Richard Paul

iTrader: (5)

Lighten up a bit, or you'll grow old and grey.

RG, Guess I'll have to learn to live with it.
Have to give something up when she's 16 years younger then me.
I'm just greatfull I'm in good enough shape to hang in till the end.