Ask BHR about their blackout nitrous kit. Turbo or SC is your best bet but to do it right will cost you about 8 times what you are looking to spend now.

Nitrous is way less of a hassle to deal with on a daily basis. The only downside to nitrous is getting your bottle filled but around here its not much of an issue. This is coming from someone who has run both Turbos and nitrous in the past (not on the 8). I'm not sure why people are so scared of nitrous.

 

1) What kind of power gains have been properly documented with midpipe swaps?
2) Yes, the N/A application gains are, sometimes, quite surprising.

Jon, since you fancy yourself well-informed on BHR's products (and you and I are friends) might you recall why it is that BHR refuses to discuss any power gains from our ignition system? Might you also recall that a BHR dealer in Spain dyno'd a car and verified our published claims and discussions on the matter?

I am really tired of this conversation. The BHR Ignition System has hundreds of saisfied customers who were surprised at the results/improvements they gleaned after installing this product and I am pretty sure BHR has one of the best reputations on this forum, so I fail to see why there are still questions and concerns on either issue.

On the other hand, maybe BHR will start to do what every other retailer does and publish dyno sheets making claims with the disclaimer that "your results may vary". Would that make you happy? Would you then be convinced because we have "proven" results?

Black Halo Racing's opinion is this; even an otherwise unmodified RX-8 will benefit the most, and along several factors, from getting The Cobb AccessPort form MazdaManiac and the BHR Ignition System because they both address well-known shortcomings in both performance and reliability/durability in the RX-8 and there have been more units sold in either of these products than any other product offered for the RX-8. If these expensive products did not satisfy people I am sure we would have been drummed out of the RX-8 world just as Mazsport was.

 

Even nitrous might be a little out of his range. I have found kits for $950+. OP can go another route but IMHO, I would save up.

Mid-pipe+ BHR ignition, MM's AP+tunes!!!

 

While I don't have proof per say, I can say that I have done several third gear pulls from 75MPH with other 8 (8's) that have midpipes, catbacks, and new stock coils and plugs and I begin to pull in the upper rev ranges. Only thing I can attribute that to is the coils since for the most part the mods are similar except I don't have and intake or catback and some of them do


Against stock 8's it's not a question at all, on the straights I can pull with ease. Could be midpipe, coils, combination, not sure. I know the driver is a big part of the equation but I have hung with two speed 3's on two separate occasions.


You can get the Zex kit for around $600.00. If you add remote opener, warmer, etc. then it could be close to $900.00.

 

^ I would have to agree. I have notice differences in MPH when I had installed a non-resonated mid-pipe with my HKS high-power single exhuast. My MPH actually increases and pulled quite well after about 7000 rpm.

 

Hell I use to run open everything!!!! lol I gutted the cat and removed the muffler and had it straight pipe. You'd think it's terribly loud...but really it isn't that bad. Idle is still decently quiet. The cruise speed was enough to hear it but not so loud you'd have to crank the radio. Hell I've hung with others that had the aftermarket exhaust and our idle and drive sound was almost the same.

Now wide open throttle...that's a different story. But here in Indiana I don't have pollution control laws.

http://www.youtube.com/user/outinnow.../4/xk8EBGo_bUA

Idea of sounds...

My input is nos....NOS is not just a few hp upgrade it's 100

 

Uh, no muffler with a straight pipe is loud as ****, don't try and sugar coat it Even the HKS single sided and catless midpipe drones at speed, WOT is unbearable for a DD.

 

I think 100 is more than can be safely run on an 8. More like 50-55. Some have run a 75 shot with varied results. Also, all these numbers are at the crank. It will be a bit less to the wheels.

 

Yes.

100 would not be "safe" for the most part. Even 50HP is a pretty good bang for your buck.

 

Just a question... why are you redlining your 8 when its not fully warm? Nos cant be ran safely and get 100 hp, 55hp is around what most people get running Nos safely.

 

Agreed. I've managed to resist getting the BHR kit so far, but now that I've done most of the other mods it is getting much harder to resist.

 

Some of our phone conversations became "blurred" overtime since I have bad memory (maybe it was the beers we were drinking that night).
I was asked this question and I didn't want to speak for BHR on their (your) products.
My fault for making the question public... just wanted visual proof for everyone else asking me these questions and I didn't want to give them false information.

I apologies... won't bring it up again.

Again... this wasn't to please me... I just wanted to clarify what we talked about on the phone so others can hear it "from the horses mouth".
I actually meant to ask you last time we talked on the phone... but I was a little busy with an air pump
If the subject is going to upset you this much, the answer isn't worth it.

 

I feel your pain, I had a brand new kit ready to install right as my ex wife decided to **** around so with the divorce on the horizon I sold it and I have wanted to go that route ever since. I would like the blackout kit.

 

I am not upset. I am fatigued.

The reason we don't publish alleged rwhp numbers is because we have no idea as to the condition of the engine upon which this system will be used.

Besdies, it isn't as if I need anybody to give me a microphone around here.

 

Look Guys, I know I am coming across rather harshly but there is something I want everyone to understand as regards the BHR Ignition System;

The entire BHR team are quite proud of our efforts and relative successes with this particular product because we all put our hearts and souls into the inception, design, and execution of it.

In particular, Erick and I are quite proud of our attention to details because it is he and I who build every single one of these kits and we pore over them. Thus, we have a lot of ego attached to these things and I feel we at BHR have discussed all of these elements every time one of them is challenged. I know it is a lot of work to discuss our product, and have accepted that responsibility, but I just think all the arguments have been vetted and the threads are available for people to read. On the other hand, when I see something that I don't recall discussing, I am happy to discuss nonetheless.

If nothing else, I hope people understand this is what they are paying for when they buy all of our products.

 

If that is how you want to "communicate" to me (us) that is fine... doesn't bother me.
I was unfortunately put into a situation where I was the middleman and I turned into the punching bag instead.
This is the internet... its only words... my feelings won't get hurt... I can move on... I still view you as a friend too.

 

+1 on red-lining your car when it's cold.. ******* terrible idea.

 

yes I know it wasn't completely warmed up....lol That wasn't the point to the video...the point was with a straight pipe exhaust it wasn't terribly loud like others said it was. I personally drove this car as a daily driver and I liked the sound of the car with the straight pipe. I never got pulled over for the exhaust either...But like I said won't pass pollution test.

Besides why do you think I'm getting rid of the rotary. I'm as well as a vol. firefighter. On a regular I hop into my car and pull outta the drive and get on it and start hauling *** to the station. I've heard all these things about not reving it and all that. But I never once had a issue with say

starting it..moving it 15 feet and shutting it back off..Never once got flooded and I did that every weekend for I parked in my car in the grass and would move it to mow under.

I made several runs to the firehouse...rather it was winter or summer and I had it to the floor as soon as I pulled out of the driveway. I never had a issue with the car till I went FI

 

Which is one reason I've decided not to go FI, along with 8y/100k voiding.

The other reason being that although I've thrown some significant dollars into my '8 to date, I'm not willing to part with FI-level cash.

 

Hey guys I found 50HP for only $69.99!!! This is you best bet AND you get 5 MPG better also!! http://www.performancechipsdirect.com/Mazda/RX8/ If only it weren't lies!