First of all, its good to hear from you, C.
Second, well, yeah.

 

Ditto

Agreed. If we give up, then misinformation continues to spread, and none of us get anywhere. This forum is all about sharing info, without it many of us wouldn't be where we are, and if we stop now, we won't get any further.

 

Thanks Jeff, btw i'm gonna have to remain in a little better contact - should be in .be in a month

and guys i agree with your point about the forum and the dynamics of it. the annoying things are just this:
- burying of good threads with dozens of the same newb-type stuff
realistically this is something that will never be stopped, and although annoying it can be overlooked so no biggie

- derailment of good threads by those who aren't newb enough to not know better
i've done it myself, but at some point a person has to step back and know when they are out of their league and just shut up and read. I'm not advocating killing educational discussion for people, but pick the right time and place.

- never ending new threads of people digging themselves a hole
this is just a personal annoyance. i simply get furious with all the "my car is fooked and i dont know what i'm doing" threads. **** happens indeed, but if you brought that **** upon yourself and are a mile over your head, no pity from me. I had to make somedifficult choices based on this kind of dynamic - i spent 2 years reading, learning, and preparing; when i thought i was ready i began collecting parts. after i was nearly $6K deep in preparations to do an FI build, i made one last review of everything. it sucked to do, but i made the right decision in that i was simply not ready; not ready knowledge-wise, financially, or logistically. why cant more people have enough sense to think about things

 

finally moving to europe? gotta get you in touch with the guys up in the benelux area!

 

ya, should be in country bout 10 Oct... take a month or two to settle in and i'm on the road. 8 hour duty days, 3 days on - 2 off. no work when no flying is scheduled(which is often)...

 

You're going to love the tracks there
I went there in july, what beautiful countries they are!

 

sorry brettus, but this isn't a seminar. i'm not looking for a persuasion... i came in here specifically for the title, not an education or a debate over TC's or SC's as each has its merits. and a comment from boostd 7 is more of a direction of reply i'm looking for, though in-depth details as of how would be nice. or one from chickenvvafer, though a TC ovvner but giving some helpful insight about OD's experience.

don't get me wrong bud, its just if you are gonna call someone out thinking they are "newb" to persuade to joining the TC club and educate them... just seeing the reaction from a handful of TC owners scares me into even thinking about being one. not that i'm stating all TC owners think so highly of themselves...

so, in a word on ur statement, wrong. and being a TC owner, u should know the reason.






(think E85, water injection, nitrous, etc)

 

thanks for ur insight. but has geographical location have anything to do regarding your temps on a dyno pull? or ambient temps? any other cooling assist? maybe ur vented hood?

i mean for f's sake, i get over that NA, MOVING!

don't get me wrong here chicken, i appreciate ur inputs. and this isn't a debate over "choose TC over SC" just so to get that straight...

 

When Jeff was dyno tuning my car, it did 45 dyno runs in one session. Many were back to back to tighten up the AFR which was too rich due to the larger injectors.

No issues overheading, stock cooling system (radiator). But I ran distilled water with water wetter, no coolant.

 

Wow - slight over-reaction .
You said something about turbos overheating at the track more than SC . I merely pointed out that they make more power so of course there is more chance of them overheating .
Which part of more power = more heat is wrong ?

 

I can speak highly of the blower in Hymee's kit.



The Hymee and the Pettit kit's use the same model blower....

Seriously though, Hymee's kit IS gorgeous.
The Pettit kit is my daily driver, for the last 25K plus miles.
Also, about 15K on 12 PSI pulleys.

Excluding doing stupid things, your car and license will last....
Buy either a STI driver or V1 Radar detector....

 

nice, nice.

in florida eh?

see, this is one reason i don't mind some TC users feedbacks. its great you guys can vouch for a properly installed/functioning system with careful accomodations to run it properly.

i'm not at all saying i dislike turbo's. just looking for a moderate HP gain using a different FI unit that may be a lighter duty use, less intrusive, and easier to deal with.

i've also done light tracking to the car. and a 2007 year owner... and just shocked at how expensive and the few companies that offer SC apps.

to say the truth, performance isn't everything for me. reliability of not just the unit, but the entire pkg is the reason seeing this topic gained my interest... 275whp, hell even 250 is good enough for me. my aim is a unit that is the least intrusive, requires less accomodations, can be tuned to stay "within" a targetted HP goal... and doesn't break the bank.

all of those above as commented by others may point that a SC unit are better off for certain users like me... but the part that can't meet expectations are the unit cost issue.

 

i did NOT say that. nor did i say "more"...

just defending myself from your reply. rather it was a joke or not... it seems like u decided to get "technical" on things. in which case, most readers usually read on but you decided to call my mistake out on it.

and stop shoving words into my mouth on things i didn't say. no need to try to turn this into a argument.

say if it is a joke... no biggie. i've also left some things that "can" provide additional cooling and HP at the bottom of my response.

 

and the price range of each kit is???

what i do have is some info on the mazdatrix' c2 procharger.... don't have much info on much else or other kits.

have seen a post and a glance at pettit's SC at sevenstock back in '07 upon requiring the car.

any comments on that kit?

how do u like pettit's kit? and can you please post a pic of hymee's kit for me.

 

Here is exactly what you said Trochoid .

My quick analysis of this was - "Turbos make more heat " . If that is not what you were trying to say I apologise for jumping to that conclusion .



If a SCd and Turboed motor are putting out the same power output both are putting the same heat into the cooling system .

 

Bleehhh this convo happens about every six months and got old quick,,,

 

The Pettit kit is a little over 7K.
The Hymee kit is about 8K (8,498.07 USD)

Either kit is worth it.

I have had mine since February 2008.
6 Speed, 6 port base model 2007 RX8.
I have had tuning issues, but that is me tweaking everything.

I have a home made cold air intake, and various porting tweaks to the S/C intake track and the upper and lower engine intake tracks.
I do not run a cat and have no rear O2 sensor.
I have the non standard "big" Pettit S/C lower pulley for up to 13 PSI.
I have a home tweak on the fuel injectors as well, replaced the aux injectors with the "blue" 440cc from an Automatic 4 port.
I have the Snow Performance stage 2 methanol injection kit, with line and nozzle upgrades for 100% methanol or even nitromethane. (if I want to run it)
(I have used up to 40% nitromethane/60% methanol)
Nitromethane will lean the mixture (burning it releases Oxygen), but the methanol raises the octane.... Nitro makes for a wicked ride. (at least while the spark plugs last)


I love the Pettit kit, and with Pettit about 2 hours away from me, it was a no brainer decision.
Hymee posted his own pictures...


Enjoy

 

Haha, fits perfectly. Nothing seems out of place, nearly kept the stock looks unless you are actually looking for the supercharger itself. Seems promising.....

To drop the cash on that thing is a different subject but I will not doubt the quality nor performance. I've seen a video on You Tube with this kit. Between the two companies, I think anyone would be satisfied with either but what exactly would one look for in supercharging the 8....

Dyno comparisons, IDK? Very nice looking setup, I have to admit. I think what it boils down to is what do companies involving FI for automobiles offer besides their kits, what would I get with this company as oppose to the other and regardless of the kind of FI kit used on any car, these types of decisions have to be made, especially if one were to deal with two of the same type of kits meant to provide similar performance gains, disengaging the similarities will be key and how much I know about my car will take me a long way and should serve me well.

 

^Thanks for the link... hadnt seen some of those pics yet

 

damn, that thing by hymee simply looks nice. love the fact that you are able to retain the oem airbox.

the pettit's system seems more simple and easy fitment, but the must in ditching the oem box and open air filter element is the only dravvback.

both are pretty expensive... but a very very clean and detail look is important, and C.A.R.B. is also...

at this point, i am only going to invest in the future for the kit that can achieve both of that. leaning more for hymee's

 

let us know how that works out for you. You'd be one of the first

 

Sounds like what I was talking about in the above statement. Again, I do have to agree with you on the fact that it looks simply well put together and looks very comfortable in that engine compartment.

 

^^ yeah, i was taken away by it. glad i asked for pics!

on a side note, turbo apps are cheaper by far to run and more widely employed. i can see the advantage its got over supercharging.

but on topic again... this is in no way a cheap mod. and asking $7-8k on it is steep... a price tag like that without any carb certification would make anyone find a cheaper alternative route if overall appearance and fitment isn't also a priority.

$5k seems more considerable imho. and carb cert is just a bonus and an incentive to get it.

 

That setup looks awesome! The engineering and design are top notch. Can't wait to see a few out on the streets and hear the feedback

Guys dont mind Trochoid. He seems to have a knack for stating his uninformed opinion as fact and then getting his panties in a bunch when people who know what they are talking about call him on it.

 

don't sweat it. its no biggie, sometimes things get easily misunderstood on the forum just trying to get to a point quickly...