Originally Posted by Brettus
(Post 4788971)
Wouldn't it need to have fuel in it to do anything ?
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Originally Posted by Brettus
(Post 4788959)
I might just do that ...lol
I have to say the current setup hasn't been any sort of breakthrough though . Bridgeport has had zero positive effect . If my theory that the benefits you get in an rew engine are from fuel going straight through the engine and igniting in the manifold , then the wastegate setup i have was never going to take advantage of that effect anyway. thewird |
Originally Posted by thewird
(Post 4789110)
Has nothing to do with air or fuel going into the exhaust manifold, that only helps the turbo spool but does nothing for power.
So if the engine doesn't have to provide as much power to drive the turbine ............... it makes more power at the crank ! |
Originally Posted by Brettus
(Post 4789120)
If it helps the turbo spool as you say .............. then it is effectively making power at the same time .It takes power (aka pressure and heat ) to drive the turbine.
So if the engine doesn't have to provide as much power to drive the turbine ............... it makes more power at the crank ! A typical bridgeport makes peak torque around 7000-8000 RPM depending on the size. Your turbo setup needs to be setup with that in mind (bigger exhaust, bigger turbine, and turbine housing a/r etc.) but I don't think the renny has enough overlap or exhaust flow to make it work without introducing a perry exhaust. thewird |
Originally Posted by thewird
(Post 4789121)
The engine isn't providing anything. Once the exhaust is coming out, it doesn't matter where it goes.
thewird
Originally Posted by thewird
(Post 4789121)
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) but I don't think the renny has enough overlap or exhaust flow to make it work without introducing a perry exhaust. thewird |
The issue of bypass due to overlap is moot if the turbo is too restrictive. If exhaust pressure is substantially higher than intake pressure you will not get very much air/fuel passing through in the overlap window, depending on how much back pressure and how poorly tuned the exhaust/intake are you could even get more EGR and lose power.
ALS systems only work at low load because that's the only time you can feed intake air into the turbo exhaust housing. At high load the back-pressure wont allow it, but that's also where you don't need it. Also with a undersized turbo the bridgeport adds very little because the restriction is the turbo. If you are going to put a major restriction in an air line you put it last, because it increases the pressure, and decreases the velocity through all restrictions before it. This is also why you want to be as free flowing as possible after the turbo. |
Originally Posted by Harlan
(Post 4789226)
The issue of bypass due to overlap is moot if the turbo is too restrictive. If exhaust pressure is substantially higher than intake pressure you will not get very much air/fuel passing through in the overlap window, depending on how much back pressure and how poorly tuned the exhaust/intake are you could even get more EGR and lose power.
Originally Posted by Harlan
(Post 4789226)
ALS systems only work at low load because that's the only time you can feed intake air into the turbo exhaust housing. At high load the back-pressure wont allow it, but that's also where you don't need it. At this point in the cycle there is only one place to go , and that is out of the exhaust port . |
Hmm. At what RPM were you making 15psi, and was that measured at the turbo or at the manifold?
Also did you try pulling timing in the mid-range? I do see your point, but something here still doesn't add up. |
Originally Posted by Harlan
(Post 4789250)
Hmm. At what RPM were you making 15psi, and was that measured at the turbo or at the manifold?
Also did you try pulling timing in the mid-range? I do see your point, but something here still doesn't add up. Not really concerned about the fact that mine didn't work . I just thought it interesting to look at my results vs the PP setups that do work. My theory stacks up if you consider what happened in my case vs what happens on a PP bridge . |
Well I commend you for trying it. Maybe it is as simple as that.
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Originally Posted by Harlan
(Post 4789259)
Well I commend you for trying it. Maybe it is as simple as that.
I would still have expected at least some small gains from doing it . Even if it just filled the dead area that is present after the exhaust closes, with clean air/fuel instead of exhaust gas . I haven't completely ruled out that possibility yet. The overlay of the before and after dyno is pretty much identical . But the AFrs on the bridgeport dyno were much leaner (11.5 vs 10.0) . Maybe if i had made afrs the same I would see some gain ....................... (running E50) |
I think you need to pull timing then pull fuel. Then slowly add back timing,.
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Holy shit man. The amount of Mathammer you've put into this is absurd. I love it.
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Originally Posted by Harlan
(Post 4789263)
I think you need to pull timing then pull fuel. Then slowly add back timing,.
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Originally Posted by CelestialGryphon
(Post 4789267)
Holy shit man. The amount of Mathammer you've put into this is absurd. I love it.
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Originally Posted by Brettus
(Post 4789276)
I'm interested to see what you find when you play with your real time timing adjustments . Although my gut feeling is you will be disappointed with the results.
I think there is still some magic hidden in the Renesis, but even if it is a waste of time it's my time to waste. |
So ......... I got this little puppy installed :
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...11a8e19ffa.jpg Have it set to turn off boost controller on alarm . Seems to work well so far . https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...0b169eb427.jpg |
you got weird looking puppies down under
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Originally Posted by Brettus
(Post 4791021)
So ......... I got this little puppy installed :
Have it set to turn of boost controller on alarm . Seems to work well so far . |
What boost controller are you running? My HKS EVC-S cuts boost abruptly if you set it to cut 100%. But I have never pushed past 13psi.
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I've been running one for a couple of years. I have it doing the same thing...works well. It safe moded me when my fuel pressure regulator decided to crap itself......well worth the cost. And it's a cool toy to play with 😎
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Originally Posted by dannobre
(Post 4791052)
I've been running one for a couple of years. I have it doing the same thing...works well. It safe moded me when my fuel pressure regulator decided to crap itself......well worth the cost. And it's a cool toy to play with
Have you tried getting the rpm sorted ? If so ............. how did you do it ? |
Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8
(Post 4791026)
What boost controller are you running? My HKS EVC-S cuts boost abruptly if you set it to cut 100%. But I have never pushed past 13psi.
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Great, you guys are convincing me I've got more stuff to buy :lol:
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Your not going to get a benefit from a bridgeport unless you eliminate your backpressure. The only power gain comes from the exhaust siphoning the air in and flushing the chamber (cleaning excess exhaust gas), not wasted air/fuel going out the exhaust which only helps spool. The only way you can make turbo power on a bridge is by running large A/R turbo's which defeats the spool benefit but actually gives you the bridge mid to top-end power. There is zero benefit on a bridgeport in the low-end no matter what you do, its actually negative gains.
The AEM wideband failsafe works good but the their water/meth failsafe is garbage. thewird |
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