Esmeril Racing 20b conversion kit/guide....testing the waters!
09-23-2009, 10:52 PM
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so it's a V twin?
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I think this is a great idea weather we buy it now or later the development needs to start the more parts are on the market the better. this worked for the honda.
but i still have to pay off my car before i can even think about a 20b
but i still have to pay off my car before i can even think about a 20b
09-23-2009, 11:23 PM
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Great idea!!! I think it would be a good starting point for many less experienced rotary shops, or just shops in general if you could sell it to them. If lets say local shops would be willing to do this in the 10-20k range with your product/guide I think there would be many interested people. I know I would be 
Paying 30k+ at this point is a little much.
How about a 4 rotor conversion kit...
Paying 30k+ at this point is a little much.How about a 4 rotor conversion kit...
09-23-2009, 11:38 PM
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i know the only way i would be willing to pay 30k for an engine swap is if it shot 50' flames and i could do the 1/4 in the 7's. so having an option that is reasonably priced is now looking interesting. i know "reasonably priced" is a realative statement but i would say reliable power coming from a realatively stockor slightly modified motor justifies the reasonably priced statement.
09-23-2009, 11:40 PM
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With the 8 being relatively new on the market and many have yet to pay off their cars and dont have the time and money to do it themselves, I believe that if someone were to come out and actually piece it all together to make it a complete turnkey swap, I believe that you would see many jump on that. All that needs to be done (easier said than done) is to make a complete bolt on kit with all the goodies and people will jump on it especially with the NA version of the 20B. Until this is done, you will still have some who are very mechanically inclined and have the time and money to do it themselves but, if there was a complete kit or a shop that specialized in this and all people had to do was drop their car off and pick it up later as you see with FI shops, I believe people would prefer this more. Maybe, one day, this will happen. A turn-key 400whp 20b 8 is very tempting as long as the price is reasonable. When and if this will ever be done, hard to say.
09-24-2009, 06:33 AM
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the "shooting flames" part was a joke. i was just emphesising that i would want out right extreme for 30k. like the ability to wrinkle the asphault under my tire for that kind of $$. don't really give a **** about flames. that's all
09-24-2009, 11:44 AM
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Just make a simple bolt on subframe, so people won't have to cut and extend their's, new engine mounts, and the steering shaft extension. Nothing else, everything else can be diy-just like some shops do for the FD. That's all I would be interested in! DO IT......and at a good price!
09-24-2009, 01:33 PM
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This is the way I understand it, correct me if I am wrong, but a 20B swap can cost $30K ++++++++++? Not to mention all the time it takes for fabrication of the subframe, mounts, etc. Time is also money.
So lets say you decide to make the kit. Let's also say I have no skill in DIY (not that far from the truth). I purchase the kit from you and source all the parts including the engine and seals. Then give my car to a shop to get a 20B swap. Am I right in thinking your kit would potentially save me thousands in custom fabrication costs due to the amount of labor saved?
I paid the Rx8 off already so I'm close to project time. If forced induction can cost 8 to 10 K...It would be awsome if we could attain a 20B swap for another $5 k or so. I bet your going to tell me I am SOL though. Realistically it prob would be closer to $25k.
So lets say you decide to make the kit. Let's also say I have no skill in DIY (not that far from the truth). I purchase the kit from you and source all the parts including the engine and seals. Then give my car to a shop to get a 20B swap. Am I right in thinking your kit would potentially save me thousands in custom fabrication costs due to the amount of labor saved?
I paid the Rx8 off already so I'm close to project time. If forced induction can cost 8 to 10 K...It would be awsome if we could attain a 20B swap for another $5 k or so. I bet your going to tell me I am SOL though. Realistically it prob would be closer to $25k.
09-24-2009, 01:39 PM
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an LS1 can do 400-500whp n/a and be far more reliable than a rotary at those horsepower numbers. and it'll have more torque and get better gas mileage. a friend of mine has an ls1 camaro that has 400whp and he gets 23mpg averaged. our car weighs 700lbs less, we'll get even better mpg. now thats just a nice engine.
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09-24-2009, 03:01 PM
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Dear Heavenly Spirit, thank you for providing us with the direct-port nitrous injection, 4 core intercoolers, ball bearing turbos, and titanium valve springs, Amen.
Dear Heavenly Spirit, thank you for providing us with the direct-port nitrous injection, 4 core intercoolers, ball bearing turbos, and titanium valve springs, Amen.
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09-24-2009, 08:19 PM
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IMO, an LS swap is retarded. If you want the best platform for a 400hp LS V8, get a Vette. That much weight up front completely destroys the balance of the car, so besides going a lot faster in a straight line, i don't get it. with a turbo 3 Rotor Renny, you wouldn't be sacrificing that much balance, and you wouldn't destroy the feeling/soul of the car. An RX-anything should be rotary. Period.
09-24-2009, 08:46 PM
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Great ideas, and enthusiasm for the platform, Chris.
09-24-2009, 09:09 PM
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IMO, an LS swap is retarded. If you want the best platform for a 400hp LS V8, get a Vette. That much weight up front completely destroys the balance of the car, so besides going a lot faster in a straight line, i don't get it. with a turbo 3 Rotor Renny, you wouldn't be sacrificing that much balance, and you wouldn't destroy the feeling/soul of the car. An RX-anything should be rotary. Period.
