Originally Posted by nojooc

The most expensive laptop on the market is not going to mean jack unless the person doing the tuning knows what they're doing.

Everyone seems to forget that the most important thing is not just HP, but also torque and the power delivery of the new found power.

Originally Posted by Gomez

Don't beat up on him, take pity, he's in a Subaru.... :p

Originally Posted by Gibbo

I might have taken offence to this but I see from your other posts that your ignorance is legendary.

If we forget about dynoing for just one second and look at a couple of facts;
1) The renesis has always had problems on the dyno, people are claiming figures all over the place for what they have, or a mate has, or your sisters pimp has dynoed their car as.
2) Too many people assume that engine horse power is comparable to rwhp, it's not.
3) The ignorant believe that peak hp is everything, it's not.

Anyone who has driven an RX-8 hard knows that if you want any decent performnce you need to keep it dancing above 7000k. For me I have found this on track days and on the road, how many times have you gone to over take someone and shifted down a gear hit 5000k only to find really you should have shifted it down 2 gears and ridden the top 2500 revs because there is a distinct lack of anything serious happening.

We for me that has always been my greatest criticism of the RX-8, the lack of straight line speed. As a package it is fantastic and I love it, however I want more get up and go from the entire engine.

This is where the turbo came in, if you read my post you will see that I went for a test drive in the vehicle, I did not tune, I do not have it installed on my car (yet) and I did not produce the dyno graph. However what I can tell you is that the stage one turbo running 6psi boost kicking in at 2500 made a massive difference to performance.
We were travelling at 3000 revs and the foot was put down and I was pushed back in my seat. Try that in any RX-8 that anyone has that does not have FI and what happens......I'll tell you sweet FA.

I travelled in this car, I saw and felt this performance increase, regardless what your "expert" opinion reads of my post. I do not give a frogs fat ring if you think the gains are worth it or not, I do not care what it says on paper, what I do car about is real life improvement, and that is exactly what I got.

I did not just see a little improvement, I saw a great improvement. So much so that I believe it is worth Aus$8,000.

How many times have people on this forum posted stuff like;
- I spent $1000 on a lightened fly wheel and got a 4HP improvement,
- I spent $1200 on an exhaust and got a 6 HP improvement

I have tried that, I got the exhaust, I got the piggy back ECU and I thought I had gains, hell the extra noise from the exhaust sounded faster, however once on the track against other RX-8's in a straight line my car was really no faster at all. That is why I am sick and tired of all these self proclaimed experts saying do this and you get and extra 20hp, do that and get an extra 10HP, you base your vast knowledge on paper and figures, so if someone can post a dyno sheet saying that an improvement was gained then hell I had better believe it.

In reality I have always wanted real world gains, not something that can be reproduced or was produced on Aviation Fuel in a wind tunnel.

This is what I found in the car I drove, not some bull crap that gives subjective gains or gains that can only be measured on paper, it was a push you back in you seat, available at almost all revs gain.

You can take your, but that is only standard HP figures, you can take your I'm not spending that for 10HP gains and any other vomited wisdom that you have. I am not asking you to spend your money, I wasn't asking you whether you feel the on paper gains are significant. I am telling you of a drive I had, I am telling you that I saw the way the RX-8 should have always performed from the word go and I am telling you for me it is worth spending the money to buy this turbo kit because the improvements are real and significant.

Everyone has their own opinion, however until you actually have facts and experience to back up what your opinion is, then that is what it will always remain an opinion, nothing more. However when you push your "opinion" on someone who has experienced otherwise then you just become ignorant.

I hope you are not ignorant, just mis-informed.

Originally Posted by Nigandahu

Sometimes you got to spell it out for these people.

Originally Posted by Nigandahu

How can we not express doubts, when all we have is a graph that says "dyno" on it scrawled with the pencil tool in MS paint with a proud "189 RWHP hell ya" on it, when some Rx-8's put down 185-190 rwhp stock.

Originally Posted by Gomez

I thought abel came after cain, therefore abel came second!

Originally Posted by rotarygod

Cain killed Abel.

Originally Posted by Gomez

Listen spoonhead, for a start, this is not a new story. This turbo was first written about back in June. There are half a dozen old threads on it. It's been written up in respected Australian motoring magazines, and I've just finished telling you the guy who built this kit races the worlds quickest rotary. The graph was pulled from a six month old magazine article, if you'd actually read the thread in the Oz forum, you'd know that.

How about you do a little research before you shoot from the lip?

Gomez.

Originally Posted by Gomez

Actually Gibbo, you said previously that magixpuma was bathing happily in a tub full of ignorance.....not Nigandahu :D

Understandable mistake though, from here all these Americans look the same....

Originally Posted by Nigandahu

Yeah, get it right spoonhead.