well the kit looks great
gt35/40 is a great weapon,dual ball bearing I just hope the #'s are great
good luck

 

If the T16Z is good to 400 HP why whould you go with a bigger turbo?? Is not a matter of how much it can flow in, it is a matter of the engine holding up that much pressure... IMO

 

Good luck getting that old turbo to give u 400hp. Someone tried maxing the turbo out and only got a lil above 300. Gt35r is a waaay better turbo than the greddy one. Don't hate, if you play the fi game be ready to pay reagrdless if its the greddy turbo or this specific kit. The greddy kit never demostrated any more reliabilty, no fi kit has. I would save my $ for this one gentleman sounds like the best kit. If you're going to fi might as well do it right

 

The 400 hp is a theoretical limit. As RG pointed out in another thread the rotary is a less efficient engine when it comes to maximizing turbos. We would be lucky to get 280-300 whp from the unit. I'm more than happy with that, & I never went into the project looking for 350-400 hp as I honestly question if this engine can handle that kind of boost level for long periods. If I get 260-280 whp for an everyday RX8 from a $2900 turbo kit (before the other stuff). I'm happy.

 

Honestly, & I am not trying to be mean here as I have said before I think this kit would be the best of the best, but I really doubt this would sell. You are talking about the poor 350Z owners as if $7500-$8,000 is the norm for a turbo kit for their cars. If you look you can get a full Greddy twin turbo kit for a street price of under $6,000, & you can get a Turbonetics single turbo system for under $5,000. Numerous SC systems for around the $5,000 mark. On the S2000 the Ultimate Racing or Lovefab kits are around $5,500 (or the Comptech SC with aftercooler). The only turbo kits that are realistically in the $7500 range are the APS & Power Enterprise units. You will have a market for this kit, but it might be very small. I just don't want you guys to pour a lot of money into this project only to find out you may only sell a few kits. It sounds like an amazing kit, but the price point is just not doable. If you were in the $5,000-$6,000 range you would have a better business case.

 

7500 you got to be joking you guys got to wake up and drop that price to about 5000 complete.

 

No offense, but of course the kit is going to be expensive, because it's basically the first of it's kind. When other reputable companies start coming out with kits that can match this kind of power, than you will see the prices drop. I think they're doing an excellent job making turbos, but they're also in business to make money.

 

For me it's about 280-300 whp daily driver. That type of power, matched with the weight of our cars, is more than enough to get you moving IMO.

 

for that money ill drop a 3 rotor

 

^price out a 3 rotor swap recently? If you could get one done for even 10k you would be waaaay undercutting what the guys on rx7club are paying for theirs. Good luck with doing a 20b swap with that kind of price range

 

I know a place were you can get a 3 rotor trans and computer for 5000 not including swap of course.

 

ahahaha, that's just for starters. If you really want to do a swap like that then you'd want to do a complete overhaul on the 20b and the turbos. Add that to the custom engine mounting, standalone, custom drive shaft, installation and tunning. $20,000+ is a better estimate for a properly tunned 20b swap.

Pick 2

1)cheap
2)reliable
3)Fast

 

I think there are people who will pay this much, some people have it. Look at manuel. He's easily dropped about this much into his 8, and isn't anywhere near those power levels.

 

dood...nevermind

i think it's a fine deal.

 

Honestly,
I have no intention of going big or going home.
The greddy turbo is not BIG, but it also has very little lag. Which for people who are actually road racing or autocrossing, is great. MAX HP Numbers are not everything.

I think i'm in a different market then most of your target customers, so maybe the slogan will work for you.

Best of luck to you.

-HS

 

The funny thing about this is that there will always be people that say they are willing to pay for a well done kit and there are others out there who would complain about the price if you paid them to take it. If everything listed actually gets put into a kit and the price holds true, this is not an unreasonable price. Does it mean that everyone will buy it? Nope. It's like the voice in the movie Field of Dreams. If you build it they will come.

The Greddy T618Z can NOT produce 400 hp on a rotary. I don't want to hear about how some inaccurate conversion to figure out wheel to flywheel horsepower would get it close. It won't happen. It may do it on a piston engine but a rotary needs 30%-40% more air to make the same power numbers as a similar sized piston engine. This means the turbo has to flow more to make the same power or from another point of view, can only produce less power with the same amount of air. Your cap will be about 300 rwhp or so and this will be really working it. It is a small turbo designed for quick spool and a small to moderate gain in power. That's it. If you want big numbers, don't send a boy to do a man's job.

If anyone thinks they can get a 3 rotor installed in an RX-8 for anywhere near this price and have it work properly, I'll buy 10 of them from you. You'll still be down on power and torque though compared to forced induction.

 

+1

 

Yeah, personally I would rather have a better handleing car than one of those MKIV Supra's that dyno at 800hp but they reach max boost 1k rpm befor redline. I don't see that being a fun car to drive, regardless of it being stupid fast.

 

You'd be surprized just how much low end power a 400+ hp turbo rotary has if it was designed well. I do agree that a nice balance is what is needed though.

 

Give me a reliable all-in-one kit for less than $8000 and you got a customer here. Heck, I'll sell my Harley and get me one of this if it hold true...

 

With all my NA mods so far, I think I have chosen my path. I would however like to see this kit running one day. It would realy turn heads about the Renesis.

I still would like to know, why Mazda did not have a factory turbo option? Was it because of heat, reliability, past FD concerns?

Whatever the case may be, good luck on your project car - take photos and post the truth about the results.

 

I'd have to say, budget. They couldn't even afford to make/source a better auto tranny, much less factory turbo. I'd say the FD had a little to do with it also.

 

This is cool, but judging from the prices at AEM's website

http://www.aempower.com/product_ems_app.asp


I think I'd wait for RG's megasquirt project to be done with. If I were actually looking to buy a turbo kit, that is.

Would you guys be selling a kit without a computer?

 

I talked to a guy that worked for Mazda a while ago. He said that wasn't the market they were going for. The weren't going for the same demographic as with the RX7. Instead of huge HP numbers they wanted the people would wanted a more refined car that was well balanced and fun to drive. I think that was a mistake though which is obvious by looking at the luxury car market. Even people who care more about luxury than performance still want a lot of get up and go.

 

smrx8 pwned!! :p