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Old 01-20-2005, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Kooldino
Not if you know the maximum safe EGT on a given motor. But regardless, there's no reason NOT to have an EGT on a boosted RX-8.
But you can't really know this unless you have found out the hard way.
Just because one RX-8 hits a certain temp at max torque doesn't mean another will do the same.
That said, I am a fan of over instrumentation! :D


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1100 @ WOT and 90mph?
WOT, 7200 RPM in third on the dyno.


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Wow, the RX-8 has sensors galore from the factory...
It calculates the temp from the WBO2S and NBO2S. Since it has calibrated the sensors and has a known, fixed table of values, it can compute the temp from the change in impedance.


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Why would your rotor housings melt at 1275°F ?
I was kidding. That is the melting point of aluminum.
Of course, they are made of an alloy, which has a higher melting point and, as stated earlier, EGTs are the temp of the gas, not the metal.

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@ MazdaManiac - Have we met before? Did you have a black MX-3 with two blue(?) racing stripes? If so, we met at Import Wars in 03 (in PA)...and I've seen videos of your boosted MX-3.
That was me. This is a pic of that car right before I sold it:
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Old 01-20-2005, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
But you can't really know this unless you have found out the hard way.
Just because one RX-8 hits a certain temp at max torque doesn't mean another will do the same.
Yeah, but you should be able to narrow it down to a 50*F range, at least (assuming similar mods).

That said, I am a fan of over instrumentation! :D



WOT, 7200 RPM in third on the dyno.
Where was the probe placed?

It calculates the temp from the WBO2S and NBO2S. Since it has calibrated the sensors and has a known, fixed table of values, it can compute the temp from the change in impedance.
Gotcha.

I was kidding. That is the melting point of aluminum.
Of course, they are made of an alloy, which has a higher melting point and, as stated earlier, EGTs are the temp of the gas, not the metal.
I was assuming you were talking about the melting point of aluminum...and was going to say the same points you just listed. But I knew that you knew better, so that's why I asked. :D

That was me. This is a pic of that car right before I sold it:
Cool. I also remember some kind of jester hat in your car or something too.

Not sure if you saw/remember my car...it was the boosted yellow MP3 at the same show.
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
But you can't really know this unless you have found out the hard way.
Just because one RX-8 hits a certain temp at max torque doesn't mean another will do the same.
That said, I am a fan of over instrumentation! :D



WOT, 7200 RPM in third on the dyno.



It calculates the temp from the WBO2S and NBO2S. Since it has calibrated the sensors and has a known, fixed table of values, it can compute the temp from the change in impedance.



I was kidding. That is the melting point of aluminum.
Of course, they are made of an alloy, which has a higher melting point and, as stated earlier, EGTs are the temp of the gas, not the metal.


That was me. This is a pic of that car right before I sold it:


I remember that car from MIR. That was one bad *** MX-3. I wanted to build mine like yours when I had one but then I got an RX-7

Nice pic
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Originally Posted by Omicron
So do we have any HACKERS reading this thread? :D
I am far from a hacker, BUT I have a program that *could possibly* help. I have tried many diff passwords and it has always figured them out. sometimes it took a while, but it worked.... the "intention" of the program is for getting the passwords for a PC that has a few "users" to get in.
Maybe I will burn it on a disc for you and leave it at Jim's for him to try.
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Originally Posted by rxrotary2_7
I am far from a hacker, BUT I have a program that *could possibly* help. I have tried many diff passwords and it has always figured them out. sometimes it took a while, but it worked.... the "intention" of the program is for getting the passwords for a PC that has a few "users" to get in.
Maybe I will burn it on a disc for you and leave it at Jim's for him to try.
As I wrote earlier the problem is that the com port locks out after 3 wrong passwords. It doesn't matter what kind of hacker tool you use, it's going to take years to hack it that way.

First we must disable the com lock out part. If we figure that part out, then a brute force might be possible to apply. I would assume it is a lot easier to figure out how to dump the entire memory of that device and scan through it looking for where the password is stored. Does anyone know what kind of CPU the device uses?
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this might be a stupid idea, and if it is... please ignore it... but did anyone call Greddy and tell them that you need to custom tune your car, maybe they would give it too you or would have a way around it that they might share with you?
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Originally Posted by ctupton
this might be a stupid idea, and if it is... please ignore it... but did anyone call Greddy and tell them that you need to custom tune your car, maybe they would give it too you or would have a way around it that they might share with you?
That is in a nutshell what Jon is doing. This is probably the easiest way to get it.
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Originally Posted by ctupton
this might be a stupid idea, and if it is... please ignore it... but did anyone call Greddy and tell them that you need to custom tune your car, maybe they would give it too you or would have a way around it that they might share with you?
I highly doubt it. Otherwise they wouldn't have locked it in the first place. They don't want to be answering calls about how their engine blew up because of their turbo (and not because of getting greedy with the tuning).
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Originally Posted by twospoons_
The problem is that the com port locks out after 3 tries. This sounds very easy
to hack though.

If you're using the original eManage Tools software sure, it would lock out the port. etc. Sometime, not even hacking the password, the hardware does lock out time to time, so it's depend on the communication and the software itself; as you can't really tell what the software did.

If you rewrite your own software to communicate with the eManage, it has not lock out from what I had experience, tried more than 5 still no problem; that's what I'm saying Argh, what the hell, I'm going to implement the Auto tuning features, so who care about the password :D
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Originally Posted by twospoons_
As I wrote earlier the problem is that the com port locks out after 3 wrong passwords. It doesn't matter what kind of hacker tool you use, it's going to take years to hack it that way.

First we must disable the com lock out part. If we figure that part out, then a brute force might be possible to apply. I would assume it is a lot easier to figure out how to dump the entire memory of that device and scan through it looking for where the password is stored. Does anyone know what kind of CPU the device uses?
now we are talk'in! :D
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Just FYI guys, I put in the Oil Catch Can and the Profec B Boost Controller tonight. I'll take pics in a few minutes once I get settled in, just got home.


Also, that CEL that I had... well I pulled the code today and it was nothing serious at all. The code was "Secondary Air Pump, Bad Flow"

Turns out that the gasket Greddy supplied for the air pump hose that connects to the downpipe is crap. The hole in it is about 1/8" in diameter, really limits the airflow.. So I put back the stock gasket and things seem good now. We'll see if it pops back up.

Wish me luck in the dyno tomorrow. I'll be leaving for Jeff's place around 730am or so.

-Jon

**EDIT** Here are the pics of the boost controller and Oil Catch Can I put in today.**EDIT**
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What time do you think you'll have the video and stats up by? I wanna see it as soon as you put it up..I'll get out of class just to see the dyno results
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damn this thread posts way to much..when i get on to read it there are liek 7 more pages....hehe but it's 7 more pages of bliss:D
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Originally Posted by VelociRedBeast
What time do you think you'll have the video and stats up by? I wanna see it as soon as you put it up..I'll get out of class just to see the dyno results
Well, It's about 160 miles to Jeff's (MazdaManiac) house. My plan is to leave around 730am so I can beat the rush hour traffic on I-95. Going to try to time it so I get to Jeff's place around 1030am. Jeff and I are scheduled at 11am for the dyno. We'll probably be there for about 2 hours or so. If Jeff is kind, he'll let me use his computer to post the figures on this thread. So, best case scenario I have them posted by 130pm or so. Worst case I post them when I get home around 530pm. I wouldn't skip class for the results, school is important Once I post them, they won't be going anywhere.. hehe.

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Philodox,

Where did you buy the extra stuff...

Greddy Type S BOV: $139
Aluminum Mounting Flange for BOV: $26
Defi BF white Boost Gauge: $224
Defi Link control unit: $114

Thanks,

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Originally Posted by philodox
Sure thing, I'll talk to him today when I go over there to work on this BOV and gauges.





Greddy Type S BOV: $139
Aluminum Mounting Flange for BOV: $26
Defi BF white Boost Gauge: $224
Defi Link control unit: $114

that's it for extra stuff



Hehe.. Thanks! But.. Mazdamaniac was the first.. He hand built his turbo and has had it on the road for about 2 weeks.



Hey.. no problem.. just trying to support the RX-8 community with my personal experiences. Hope I've been a help.
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Originally Posted by cortc
Philodox,

Where did you buy the extra stuff...

Greddy Type S BOV: $139
Aluminum Mounting Flange for BOV: $26
Defi BF white Boost Gauge: $224
Defi Link control unit: $114

Thanks,

cortc
PM sent to you cortc. Hope I answered all your questions.
-Jon
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$139 for the BOV? That is below dealer cost on that.

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Originally Posted by Jason
$139 for the BOV? That is below dealer cost on that.

Jason
Actually, it is $149.. typo on my part.. sorry about that. And for the general public that cares to know. Here is where I got those parts:


I bought the Defi BF series gauges and Defi Link controller from www.hopupracing.com. They offer free shipping on the gauges and they have the cheapest prices on those gauges that I've found.

I bought the Type-S BOV, mounting flange, Greddy Profec B2 boost controler, Greddy Turbo Timer, and oil catch can from this ebay vendor. Very good guy. here's a link to his ebay store:

http://stores.ebay.com/Kuruma-Motor...genameZl2QQtZkm

I hope that answers all your questions. Please feel free to PM me if you have anything further or post them here for everyone's benefit.
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What is everyones guess on the Dyno numbers?

I would say 240 RWHP

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Originally Posted by Jason
What is everyones guess on the Dyno numbers?

I would say 240 RWHP

Jason
We'll see tomorrow! I will definately post my results by 530pm EST. I may be able to post them sooner if Jeff lets me use the computer at his house to post
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Originally Posted by philodox
Actually, it is $149.. typo on my part.. sorry about that. And for the general public that cares to know. Here is where I got those parts:


I bought the Defi BF series gauges and Defi Link controller from www.hopupracing.com. They offer free shipping on the gauges and they have the cheapest prices on those gauges that I've found.

I bought the Type-S BOV, mounting flange, Greddy Profec B2 boost controler, Greddy Turbo Timer, and oil catch can from this ebay vendor. Very good guy. here's a link to his ebay store:

http://stores.ebay.com/Kuruma-Motor...genameZl2QQtZkm

I hope that answers all your questions. Please feel free to PM me if you have anything further or post them here for everyone's benefit.
$149 is still below dealer cost. You got a good price or a fake Greddy BOV

Jason
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Originally Posted by Jason
$149 is still below dealer cost. You got a good price or a fake Greddy BOV

Jason
lol.. nah.. it's the real deal. I think that guy does over $60k per month in sales for GReddy parts so he gets a HUGE volume discount from them.. something like 40%
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239RWP for me. How bout a free turbo


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