Interceptor help, Rough idling, P0661 CEL
06-16-2006, 01:22 AM
#26
Originally Posted by Bart!
Okay. Intercooler piping came off, the long pipe where the other end holds the airinix. Couldn't get it back on in time because I had a soccer game, but I'll be getting that sucker back on tomorrow morning. That was probably the effin CEL, and the poor idling. I noticed there was some sort of silver liquid inside that pipe, what the hell was that? It didn't really have a smell too it, but if anyone is experienced with computers.. it's pretty much like the liquid form of Arctic silver paste that goes onto the processor.
that would be a vacum leak... as to the silver stuff... the artic silver is a great discription, but i have no idea..
beers
06-16-2006, 02:02 AM
#27
Nope, not a vacuum leak. A vacuum leak is after the throttle body.
Air was being drawn in after the airflow meter. This allowed for a lean condition because this air was not metered. This would be most noticible at idle when the airflow was small.
The silver stuff is lubricant used when making the bends in the aluminum tubing. Nothing to worry about. You can wipe it off if you don't like it.
Air was being drawn in after the airflow meter. This allowed for a lean condition because this air was not metered. This would be most noticible at idle when the airflow was small.
The silver stuff is lubricant used when making the bends in the aluminum tubing. Nothing to worry about. You can wipe it off if you don't like it.
06-16-2006, 02:06 AM
#28
Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Nope, not a vacuum leak. A vacuum leak is after the throttle body.
Air was being drawn in after the airflow meter. This allowed for a lean condition because this air was not metered. This would be most noticible at idle when the airflow was small.
The silver stuff is lubricant used when making the bends in the aluminum tubing. Nothing to worry about. You can wipe it off if you don't like it.
Air was being drawn in after the airflow meter. This allowed for a lean condition because this air was not metered. This would be most noticible at idle when the airflow was small.
The silver stuff is lubricant used when making the bends in the aluminum tubing. Nothing to worry about. You can wipe it off if you don't like it.
thx,
beers
06-16-2006, 02:39 AM
#29
It shouldn't be under any sort of traditional "vacuum" - that would be the indicator of a restrictive intake.
However, the pressure would be lower than ambient (since air is flowing). Not a significant amount, I'd hope.
The throttle acts as an intentional restriction. The rotating motor is trying to draw in air, but the butterfly keeps it from acheiving the desired flow. This yeilds a vacuum in the manifold.
However, the pressure would be lower than ambient (since air is flowing). Not a significant amount, I'd hope.
The throttle acts as an intentional restriction. The rotating motor is trying to draw in air, but the butterfly keeps it from acheiving the desired flow. This yeilds a vacuum in the manifold.
06-16-2006, 02:44 AM
#30
Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
It shouldn't be under any sort of traditional "vacuum" - that would be the indicator of a restrictive intake.
However, the pressure would be lower than ambient (since air is flowing). Not a significant amount, I'd hope.
The throttle acts as an intentional restriction. The rotating motor is trying to draw in air, but the butterfly keeps it from acheiving the desired flow. This yeilds a vacuum in the manifold.
However, the pressure would be lower than ambient (since air is flowing). Not a significant amount, I'd hope.
The throttle acts as an intentional restriction. The rotating motor is trying to draw in air, but the butterfly keeps it from acheiving the desired flow. This yeilds a vacuum in the manifold.
not i got to go find a diagram of the greedy kit.. it will come to me... got the symptoms right...
beers
06-16-2006, 12:22 PM
#32
I can't believe you drove it that way. 
I keep a very basic set of tools in my car at all times.
Every car I've ever owned has lost a charge pipe at some point for some reason, so I'm prepared.
It is usually the ones that are connected to the intercooler because they get banged around a lot.
However, since I switched to Turbonetics t-bolt clamps, I haven't had one come off.
I keep a very basic set of tools in my car at all times.
Every car I've ever owned has lost a charge pipe at some point for some reason, so I'm prepared.
It is usually the ones that are connected to the intercooler because they get banged around a lot.
However, since I switched to Turbonetics t-bolt clamps, I haven't had one come off.
06-16-2006, 03:26 PM
#33
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I do need to point out that it wasn't the Interceptor that had the problem afterall. Many people have blamed it for problems that it hasn't been responsible for and I just thought it would be nice to exonnerate Scott since he has been the one that has worked extremely hard (and been repeatedly criticized without cause!) to give us a good and reliable product superior to any other ecu currently available for the car.
06-16-2006, 03:48 PM
#34
I don't know about "superior", but it is effective.
I'd add that the vast majority of problems people face with the various solutions are, in one way or another, "user error" rather than an inherent failing of the components in question. There is a fundamental lack of understanding that this sort of modification is not a casual one and requires an intellectual investment.
These EMS boxes are just tools. It is up to you to use them effectively. I always prefer to do the job with what is available and walk the path less traveled, rather than get on the highway with everyone else - hence my resistance to merely accept any particular "P-n-P" solution.
Hands matter.
My favorite comparison would be David Lindley to Eric Johnson.
Both produce astounding music, but one does it with an arsonal of high-thech goodies and the other with whatever junk is available.
That's why "Running on Empty" sounds better to me than "Cliffs of Dover".
But I digress...
I'd add that the vast majority of problems people face with the various solutions are, in one way or another, "user error" rather than an inherent failing of the components in question. There is a fundamental lack of understanding that this sort of modification is not a casual one and requires an intellectual investment.
These EMS boxes are just tools. It is up to you to use them effectively. I always prefer to do the job with what is available and walk the path less traveled, rather than get on the highway with everyone else - hence my resistance to merely accept any particular "P-n-P" solution.
Hands matter.
My favorite comparison would be David Lindley to Eric Johnson.
Both produce astounding music, but one does it with an arsonal of high-thech goodies and the other with whatever junk is available.
That's why "Running on Empty" sounds better to me than "Cliffs of Dover".
But I digress...
Last edited by MazdaManiac; 06-16-2006 at 04:21 PM.
06-17-2006, 05:12 PM
#35
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
I'd add that the vast majority of problems people face with the various solutions are, in one way or another, "user error" rather than an inherent failing of the components in question. There is a fundamental lack of understanding that this sort of modification is not a casual one and requires an intellectual investment.
These EMS boxes are just tools. It is up to you to use them effectively.
These EMS boxes are just tools. It is up to you to use them effectively.
Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
I always prefer to do the job with what is available and walk the path less traveled, rather than get on the highway with everyone else
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