mysql101

Funny. I only needed to spend $3600 for parts to be faster than you. No matter what you say, you still spent roughly twice what I did for the power and have little to show for it.

My 15k includes a bunch of stuff that have nothing to do with speed.

- GReddy oil pan.
- GReddy Type-S BOV (No longer in use).
- TurboXS RFL BOV (No longer in use).
- Synchronic BOV.
- Profec B II boost controller.
- GReddy boost gauge.
- AEM UEGO gauge.
- Custom CAI.
- GReddy turbo kit.
- MazdaManiac turbo upgrade
- GReddy eManage Ultimate
- GReddy oil catch can.
- Mazsport Interceptor-X.
- Mazsport cooling fan mod.
- Mazsport fuel pump.
- Mazsport ignition system upgrade.
- Seibon KS style Carbon Fiber hood.
- Scangauge2.
- Borla catback exhaust (No longer in use).
- HKS Hi-Power catback exhaust (No longer in use).
- HKS Legamax catback exhaust.
- B&B catless midpipe with resonator.
- Rays gram lights 57F rims.
- Motegi DPK rims (No longer in use).
- Racing Brake drilled/slotted rotors.
- Hawk performance ceramic pads.
- Racing Beat front and rear sway bars.
- Racing Beat gauge pod.
- Axial Flow short throw shifter.
- Sohn OMP adaptor.
- Voodoo black piano shift ****.
- Taylor 10.4mm spark plug wires.
- Mazda exhaust finishers.
- Mazda OEM MP3 player.
- Mazda satin fuel lid.
- Mazdaspeed front bumper.
- Mazdaspeed side skirts (no longer in use)
- Mazdaspeed rear spoiler.
- Apexi active tail silencer (No longer in use).
- Racing Beat gauge pod. (no longer in use)
- Redtop battery.
- Fumoto oil drain valve

mysql101

Let's also ignore the fact that Bastage is running around with injector levels at almost full duty cycle on the stock fuel pump. He *wants* to believe he's safe while taking shortcuts, but that doesn't make it so.

On the other hand, I already know what to do to make my car capable of going over 350 whp. I've already got all the mods required to do it properly, and they're already installed on my car. We just need to schedule some dyno time to show the numbers.

Bastage likes to compare peak horse power numbers (Look Ma! Other cars like mine have done 300) and ignore that he's making about 60-70 whp less in almost the entire rpm range. And that's at just 9 psi.

kartweb

To each his own.

I find it humorous to read the blather among the blower crowd over which system - super or turbo - gives the rotors better head. Somehow it turns to dyno sheet racing. Something is very wrong about that. Dyno sheet racing is to racing as, say kissing your sister being fine ending to the perfect date is to dating.

No doubt the 8 is a great car to upgrade hot rod etc. For some it's an obsession, and thats a good thing. But it gets humorous when that obsession overcomes common sense and even dignity. Thats OK too as long one can accept it. Some here have done that, some haven't.

Personally I would love to see bastage and mrsql have a drag race. I don't care who wins, not even sure who would be more likely. But at the end of the day I know who is happier with the car they own win or lose.

Isn't that what owning and modding a cartoy is all about?

Bastage

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I think you need to buy yourself a calculator.

Regardless of what we spent, no one (except maybe the guy who sold you the turbo) will ever believe that your car is faster until you grow some ***** and race. Unfortunately that will never happen... and you spent 40+k on a car you will drive like my grandmother would.

What a waste of some good upgrades... well, most of them anyway. Why did you buy two RB gauge pods?

Well said.

swoope

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wow,

this is the thread crap from hell. like troll hunting without the trolls!!!!!!

i got an idea..

jason. you get on 60 east. bastage go south then 60 west.

meet up in lake wales..

i have a private proving ground just south of there... it is called 27 south.. just lots of orange trees..

do a couple of 10 to 70 mph roll ons... not much stress on the tranny. and my private cops will not bother you..

then we can get back to the thread at hand!!

beers

mysql101

lol swoope.

Think of it this way: I own a 400 hp 2008 Corvette. Bastage owns a Civic Type-R with a bunch of neon lights hanging off the car by duct tape. Why on earth would I bother racing him? There's no point in giving him the time of day.





PS: The above example isn't too far from the truth. 11-14 psi gives me close to numbers of a stock vette once you calculate drive train losses.

BTW, You should have come for a ride the other day

HiTMaNN

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

mysql101

Okay, I'll bite.

$2000 is what I paid for a used greddy kit, complete with bov and boost controller. There's no moving parts, so used is good as new.
$1600 for the GT3071R upgrade. Brand spanking new.
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$3600

I need only those two items to make a stock RX-8 faster than your car. Now, it wouldn't be wise since the injectors would be working their *** off and we're doing no other supporting mods, but since you aren't bothering with doing any logical supporting mods, in this theoretical situation, it'll suffice since I don't care if my theoretical car blows itself up. I can just keep it under 300 and it'll be fine.

Did I mention I'm running 2.5" exhaust system? B&B is 2.5" and so is the legamax. I'm not even slightly optimized for power yet. After using the HKS Hi-Power, I am digging the quiet vehicle.

sosonic

And that is my point too. Put it to the real world test.

If "X" turbo is so much better and faster, than show it on the track. Don't just "Dyno Queen" us, but show us time slips.

I for one, know there will be some surprises to be had, when the "Dyno queen" hits the street.

Show "X" turbo performance at the track or strip, then you can make everyone believers.


What PSI numbers are you comparing by the way?

Furthermore, comparing 9 psi and 10 psi turbo to 6 psi and 7 psi superchargers is being a bit deceptive. What would a 10 psi Pettit supercharger dyno or even the DNA SC dyno look like?

Though it is a question of tuning, how many guys want to run around at 13psi with the RX-8 engine at this point?


Yet other points are:

. "X" turbo is not going to be really attractive until you can flash the ECU and not need a 3rd party EMU.

. It will not be really attractive until you can get a COMPLETE kit from a vendor, without unnecessary parts or play with used parts.

. It will be a lot more attractive when you can drive to a Pro-Tuner shop have them install "X" turbo kit, flash your ECU, and they can send you on your way versus "average joe" tinkering away on his own.

. It will be more attractive when a Pro-Tuner shop stands behind their dyno and performance numbers versus Mr. "X" showing his dyno plot and telling "average joe" to go tinker away to catch up.

mdw1000

This poor guy shows up to say he's happy about his new FI kit, and everybody craps in his thread

mysql101

I donno. You tell me. What's the efficiency of the compressor being used? Is it properly sized for the current Stage 2 application and going to get relatively minor gains going to higher boost, just like the GReddy?

swoope

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did you notice that too????

wow,

maybe we should go quote pics in others threads!! that would be a good idea..

beers

dmc27

Congrats Java Fan. Glad you had a good experience and are enjoying the SC.

HiTMaNN

A Dyno is a great way to show how a product, if tuned properly, can produce numbers that will ultimately sell the kit. Without posting Cams Dyno how many people truthfully would have bought his kit?

Since when was the last time you have seen a FI company boast its 1/4 times? No one does it because that is based solely on the driver who is driving the car. You ever read C&D? When it claimed the RX-8 got a 0-60 in 5.9 seconds? That was because they most likely tore through that transmission like it was butter, in other words they didn't give a **** about the car cause the were just going to give it back to Mazda after they were done with it. I think Jason has proved the power of his car but since losing his first tranny, which he was having problems with PRIOR to installing his FI, he is more weary of pushing his car due to the WEAK transmission that is on the RX-8 and NOT because he is scared he will blow his motor which seems like a common misconception many people here have.


When was the last time you have EVER seen a 8 psi turbo go against a 8 psi S/C? They are built totally different so why should there PSI levels be alike? I think to fairly compare the kits would be the GReddy running at 8-9 psi and the Petit running at its 7-6 psi S/C


I am not even going to comment on this one because MM has brought up the so called "flash" that Petit has come up with and all that has to "offer".

Well lets see, the kit in question is the GReddy kit, it was the first to come out by a Trusted company and they pretty much did the best they could do. They tackled the turbo with whatever information they had available and the pretty much created a Benchmark for company's on what to do and also what NOT to do.

The kit has its faults that is for sure, but these faults have been addressed many times over and have even had a respectable member of the RX-8 community make a Upgrade kit for it.

I have brought this up time and time again, Pro-Tuner shops mean DICK ALL. I know Ray doesn't own a shop but he could do a way better job installing something on my car then any so called "pro Tuner" shop could do locally.

Rote8

I drove down Tuesday afternoon, dyno was about 5:30pm, then they flashed it for the SC.
Wednesday they worked on my car till about 5:00(?), then we went to the dyno/flash workshop about 6:00.
They did recheck the air fuel and record/confirm the ECU data, but I had a drive to Orlando to make that night.
I almost wish I would have stayed another night (Red Roof Inn) and had time on the dyno again, but I am very happy with the car.
Especially in 3rd gear......

I am sure I can find a dyno in Orlando for another test; besides, that would be a 3rd party dyno.

PS: I was good and kept my foot out of it on I-95; I really surprised myself, Did not go over 85.

MazdaManiac

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What fun is that? Get on it!

Bastage

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There's a span north of Vero that is just straight and wide road, with no places for police to hide... that's where I hit it (unless there's traffic).

Anyway, I'll let you know when I'm in Orlando next, maybe you I and swoope can go grab a beer.

mysql101

PSI is a worthless benchmark to use. It tells you nothing unless comparing like compressors.

To the uninitiated, this might not sound logical, but it is. For example, 8 PSI on the T618Z is quite a bit less air flow than 8 PSI on the GT3071R. That's why swapping one for the other and keeping the same amount of boost resulted in a 40 hp gain.

In addition to generating more power with the same boost levels, the compressed air is also cooler. I would not want to try 14 PSI on the T618Z (for several reasons), but I will be doing that on the 3071.

Yes, I worry about blowing my engine. But that's why it's important to make sure you have the proper supporting mods, and the hardware you select is up to par. My car is one of maybe a dozen RX-8's at this power level, but I haven't heard of any 8 with this much power having a blown engine. On the other hand, there were plenty of 8's with stock greddy kits producing less than 250 whp that had their engines blow. Proper tuning is vital.

rotorocks

*crunching on popcorn*
"Gangs of Boost" - good movie though... keep it up.
Wonder who dies at the end?

One thing is for sure, your tranies will be holding at where you both are, so will the clutch. The rest... well, after the BHR president, and myself conduct out little experiment we'll know for sure. right Charles?

Rote8

I think we would all be disappointed if one system ever truly won; then we could not have these wonderful "debates"......

Bastage

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I've been to the drag strip at least 7 times with this setup. Autocross 4 times.

That doesn't count all the test runs on 192 west of I-95. Four lanes, no cars... straight for miles and miles... perfect...

Transmission and clutch have held up quite nicely.

HiTMaNN

That is exactly what I was trying to say.

invasion08

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The stock clutch starts to slip around 270 rwhp

invasion08

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Scott came up to nj to tune some RX8's and one had a greddy turbo and during a pull the clutch slipped and the hp was around 270.

mysql

sounds like that guy had a worn clutch. I never noticed any slipping on my oem. It is a wear item after all