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what we are asking is a little bit of respect. Everyine deserves that. He can keep posting and developing the car, that is a plus for us, but with respect and professionalism. That's it.

Regardless of what everyone's personal feelings or opinions are, and regardless of who may be right or wrong, he is also not getting respect and professional treatment. It has been a 2 way street on this thread with shots from both sides and it is going to stop. He deserves as much respect as you or anyone else does. Someone please be the first to show it. If you disagree with him, that's your right.

RG Do u think this comment is not respectful? I am advicing the guy but he does not want to apologize for how he made us feel like. Sometimes you try to say something and people misintepreted it, but if you could not explain yourself then apologize and start all over again. He seems reluctant to admit he made a mistake. Come on there is nothing wrong with making a mistake

Apologies on that. I have merely skimmed through a couple of pages and noticed mostly bickering. I don't need to see every word to see the thread trend and it's a trend that we don't need. I thank you for at least making an attempt to calm things down.

RotaryGod,

I never treated that gentleman any different than he was treating me. In fact, I used his language and quoted him half the time.

I have already appolligized to all of the Rx8 club members and I never once Bashed his product or his company. In fact, Since the inception of his company's thread I have done nothing but praise his work and his efforts on the kit that his company was producing for our RX8's.

I was simply asking him what he ment by saying what he said about every member on this board "People with similiar priced cars spend more money on their turbo kits then guys with the RX-8s are willing to spend. Just something to think about."

If he wasn't prepared to here the consequences of his statement then maybe he should have refrained from making it.

Respectfully,
Punishr
Dwight, Houston Rx7/Rx8 club member

OK you guys might be taking my comments too personally or misinterpreting me. I'm not mad at any of you personally or anything so don't think I'm trying to be a thread nazi. I just don't want this topic going back and forth anymore and I have to stop it somehow. I don't care if he's to blame or anyone else is. The whole point is that the thread was starting to get ugly. That may or may not have been his way of taking a shot at the RX-8 owners. I don't know and I really don't care. It's far easier to let some things go sometimes than it is to risk someone misinterpreting it and getting mad. Even innocent things or comments can go wrong. I just want a positive thread. That's it.

allright guys i made this thread to inform people and to let them know about this kit (SFR). yeah i might be late at times with the info but i try to get it as soon as i can. SFR is really a good bunch of people. ive been there everyday for the past month and they almost feel like my 2nd team. people on this board disects every little word placed here. this was happening when i posted about my Carbon fiber kit. people want to see it, they like it, someone disagrees the first time and everyone gets in it. lets all just calm ourselves. i appologize for making this thread the way it has become. since the first guy with the SFR turbo didnt post anything about his kit. i felt that it was my duty to inform to my fellow club members(even after the fact that i was getting shots from most of you guys about my carbonfiber kit). but all i was trying to do was to inform everybody. isnt that what a forum is about.

NOW CAN WE ALL JUST SING A SONG

-rell

hope this makes everybody chill and relax

I can't believe some people here can be such an a$$... and I'm not talking about speedforceracing either... Dudes, you got the power of your computer in your hands, if you don't like what you're reading then go to the lounge. We are all adults here, you may point out anybody's mistakes, omissions, or insults but please move on.

I for one would like to know more about different FIs available and you guys hijacking this thread with your useless, childish: "he did it! You did it! No, you did it!" posts just makes me want to puke all over my keyboard...

And if you're true to form I bet you'll be bashing me too. :eek:

Estoy usando el intraweb!

estoy cansado...

Great, one of two companies to have FI out and he's gone.

Big loss to members who might have had questions in the future of needed help. Ive never seen a forum treat a sponsor so bad.

I admit I thought is was unprofessional when SFR didnt post the dyno's on time as promised, but I didnt hold a grudge this long.

SFR/Tim I hope you reconsider and continue to assist forum members.

Dig, how bout some pics and a new vid of your turbo.;)

Are you really that suprised? Its no wonder it takes things so long to come out for our car. I don't blame him, in fact he stayed a lot longer than I would in his position. :(

Well I've never seen any results. All talk. As far as I am concerned the first turbo came in and had it removed so he can bring it in for warrenty work.

I bet that car had 10,000 miles on it when the turbo was installed, NOT 10,000 miles on the turbo.

That's why people kept questiong the price no results, except a bad one.

Sure would be nice if it is a good product but who know?

Right now, I don't trust them. In fact I'm not sure I trust any of the Turbo's yet (relibilty). One person has already reported blowing up the Greddy. Or was it two?

one thing that REALLY PISSES ME OFF here is that people are so disrespectful in general, i never read your thread buit i could tell it would be a disaster, people here in general arent into extravagant kits, make it all CF and well...you're going to have a recipie for something that is not going to be well accepted here. people are way to harsh on something just because its not thier tastes, i say, hey, it was done professionally, and clean, thumbs up, no matter what i think about it, IT DOESNT FUCKING MATTER the person likes it so that means its good! thats why im going to be afraid to post mine when im done, its mazdaspeed sides, FEED front, abflug rear, MS wing, CF hood...very conservative in the import world but id get grilled here... :rolleyes:

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if u are a business person, u have to behave like it. And my understanding is that he is a busineess person...

oh, and congratulations to the two or three guys that shoo'ed him away, he put a lot of work into developing a turbo kit here for us(we obviously dont have any real serious power options, the greddy is adds about .2 to your 0-60 times) now our only option is PTP >.>

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No matter how interested we can be on his product, he got to treat people in a respectful way. I think he didnt do it on purpose but sometimes misunderstandings happen and there is when you have to apologize. It is not too hard to say "sorry guys, i didnt mean that". That is all. It is all attitude. I have nothing against the guy, and he seems to be working good in pro of our RX8 society but sometimes you have to be a little sensitive when talking to people because some people might interpret what you say in different ways, and this time it was not just one guy who misunderstood what he said but 4 or 5 guys.
That's all I am saying, hope he comes back in a good attitude. Everyone is welcomed here...

i know his intent was not what you think it was, his actions show it why would he be doing what hes doing if he thought what you accused him of? he got defensive when you started grilling him obviously, so i think there was just a misunderstanding

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I wasn't the one who started, I read it and felt the same way so I followed...

Agree with U lschavio. He should show some respect to his customers. I think they are very misterious sometimes, with no hard evidence

Have anyone seen Racing Beat's Dyno Sheets or TimeSlips of their mods???? Hmmmm Something to think about :rolleyes:

Seeing that they claim virtually no gains with any of their mods, certainly nothing even outside of dyno variance, and they make that very clear, I don't see why it really matters.

I think you guys are way too hard on SFR. Greddy still has yet to publish ANY concrete proof of any kind of performance measure for their kit. Niether will HKS, or any other large company. I think its great the SFR chooses to publish dyno's, make videos, POST on the board. Not many large companies post and have converations with their customers the way SFR and PTP do.

About the price, this kit is not for everyone. Not everyone can or wants to spend $7k more on the car, I would if I could afford it, but can't. That doesn't mean they are stupid for making the kit, or are a bad company. I like that the option is out their down the road, but for now Greddy was more in my price range. But there will be people who buy this kit, and hence SFR did their job.

I just can't believe you guys had a company that makes performance parts for our car on this board, where we could openly discuss issues and you drove them away. I don't think they were that rude. Different people take things different ways. I took the 350z comment as his observation as a performance shop, that 350z owners are willing to spend more on a turbo kit. In my opinion, that doesn't convey rx8 owners are cheap. It just means they choose not to spend alot of money on turbos. Maybe they spend it on other things though.

I hope SFR chooses to continue posting as there are many on this board who are genuinely interested and would like to discuss your kit. For those who aren't interested, don't buy their kit and don't continue to read this thread, there are many other threads you can spend your time on.

First Rotary Extreme. Then Canzoomer. Now SFR. These are all reputable tuners/venders that have chosen to stop participate in any more forum discusssions after being bashed on by our members. Now we have one less resource. :(

Even if Tim did make a mistake and said the wrong thing or it was misunderstood I do not believe that its fair for everyone to continue to flame this post about disbelief and constant negative comments. For the last almost 3 weeks I have seen people dog on this kit and this particular post about how the price is to high and its blowing up cars etc... You cant expect a nice respectful person when all he gets HATED on all the time. Its just not fair to the vendors that are working there ass off to produce a product that wont blow your car up and one that will make power or do whatever its designed to do. I just hope my thread doesn't end up like this one, its just not fair to us.

All I'm saying is that long before he made that mistake a good majority of the posts on this thread were negative and just mean. But I do agree after the misunderstanding I think Tim did get a little frustrated but I think he shouldn't have posted negatively against the customer. But I see it like this, if someone continues to bother you over and over and over eventually your gonna explode on them. I think thats what happened and I hope it doesn't happen again to anyone else ..... especially ME.... :)

If you have a problem with something just say it once dont keep on.... if price is to high then just type it once.

Jon
PTP Motorsports

I honestly didn't take that comment that Tim made as an insult. I didn't think he was calling us cheap. Besides I wouldn't take it as an insult if he outright said it either but anyway I thought he was saying we're more of a conservative group. A lot of people on here do their research before getting something. Posts earlier in the thread even prove that. Everyone here seems to want concrete evidence before getting something (even then you'll get the guys calling bullshit instantly). Maybe he noticed that the 350z owners are more of a frivolous group of people who want a solution without really getting into knowing the product.

We should give these guys a break. They don't have to post here. They don't have to offer pictures and videos. They don't have to talk to us on a one on one basis. They have lives as well, possibly families. Things do come up and sometimes things are delayed such as Dynos. Maybe he's actually taking the time to perfect it before posting a dyno, I think it shows that he cares about the product. We all need to learn a little patience.

A dyno will show up when it shows up.

No offense taken here either, from what SFR was saying. They were trying to be helpful. Sure they made comparisions, sometimes thats good for reference, it wasn't a competition. The last 3 or 4 posts say it all. Maybe someone can email SFR and or they can read some of these posts and see that their work and contribution is taken more positively by the majority here than at first it seems.

I'm on to you, Jon... :D :D :D

Seriously, moderators should step in and possibly censure people that divert from the main thread topic, especially when things get inflammatory... other members like us want to read informative discussion and not "Real World-type" drama. :mad:

I agree that moderators should step in more often, we should do anything possible to ensure companies feel appreciated for taking their time to post on here. They are our connections! They provide us with resources that we would not otherwise be able to get.

More mod intervention... then youre just going to have people bitch the mods are editing posts etc..

seriously, you are totally right, he was not trying to be offensive, some of you guys took it way too far. and also you guys are generally more conservative and cheap when it comes to turbos anywho(but thats not coming from him, but from me)

why do people act like kids little whiney babies a company is trying make products on are car and they get bashed on wtf is wrong with you people. I hope we see more videos of that turbo love to have a wider selection of goods for are 8 keep up the good work SFR

I think some might be in denial and feel threatened that their Greddy kits aren't gonna be able to compete on a power level and are taking it out on SFR (can't be mad at themselves right?)... or they're just jerks. Embarrassing to say the least that a few people like that will pretty much taint the reputation of all owners.. I for one hope the SFR system does well and will wait with an OPEN MIND for the results. As for the price, if you can't afford it or won't pay it then you are obviously not the ones SFR is marketing to. They'll still sell their kits....

What other upgrades are needed with this kit, especially if you are able to run over 300hp? If this was already asked in this thread let me know but I didn't see it.

I want to see the dyno sheet and some pictures please. If u don't like SFR then stfu and move on, this is a thread to find out SFR turbo, not about fucing respect and shiit. Who give a crap about respect on internet. I like the SFR and i want to see the result. If u don't have the money for the kit, then stfu and don't talk please.

ok guys, I think we're moving to the opposite pole here...

Anyway, I think this thread is dead. Tim will no longer post on this forum. I don't know if D1GT-x8 will enlighten us further about SpeedForceRacing's product but without the actual vendor on tap we might as well close this thread.

MODERATORS???

Okay...now I don't want to put words in the guy's mouth, but I'm pretty sure that is not an insult.

He's a businessman, and he's making a very obvious statement here about market demand. How do I know it's a true statement? Because the car has been out for very nearly 2 years, and there is one turbo kit you can order now.

And why is there only one? Yes, the tuning issues and all that, but the demographics of the RX-8 market have at least as much to do with it. There aren't that many people looking to turbo their 8's quite frankly. If you're a hardcore drag racing nut, you bought a STi, or Evo, or 350Z, or Mustang GT. In all honesty, someone could have solved the ECU issues by now, but why pour resources into a project like that when there are 10x as many people waiting to get goodies for their Mustang?

Cliff's Notes Version: The average 8 owner had different priorities in mind than a 350Z owner when he bought the car, and those priorities don't match up with big dollar turbo kits.

ahh finally some good logic has come upon us...

That is exactly why I said this at the end of my very first post after he made that statement.........................
"I don't know, maybe I am taking it the wrong way but it just sounded like you guy's were saying that some RX8 owners might be a little cheap when it comes to aftermarket parts."
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It was a simple questionable statement that I was asking about, thinking in my head that I probably took it the wrong way to begin with.
I have never bashed his product or his company, in fact I have even called and spoke to TIM himself several months ago trying to keep tabs on this turbo kit, because I was seriously considering buying it.

this has changed to a new topic not fun to read anymore

Yeah, but then before he had a chance to explain himself, you made up your mind that he was insulting RX-8 owners. See: top of page 13.

I read some of your posts and we will try to keep posting here especially to answer questions or concerns about our products.For those guys that want to see dyno results we have had a dyno chart up on our site for quite awhile.We will be putting up a new dyno every soon which shows the gains with the newest turbo we are using.Thanks for your support.

Can you let us know what other type of upgrades we would need besides injectors after you go passed 300hp?

Thanks

Thanks for coming back Tim. I'm sure some of us appreciate it!

Do you have the dyno results? You should have them already, I thought the car was dynoed already?, when will it be posted?

I think this is the problem right here, the car should have been dynoed already and if it has, it doesnt take more than 2 minutes to post the results here, but instead of just posting them ....these guys get a response about you are going to post them. They've also known about the old dyno you posted months ago so why would they go look at that? Its not of this current setup!

I can see where people feel like you are either hiding something or not really doing what you say you are doing and this is making them irritated. If you do something and they question you, you should just prove them wrong by posting all the info they need so they look at the situation in a positive way and to eliminate any doubt they may have but you have barely done this in their eyes.

Me personally, I would like to see much more of what you got going on and for you not to leave,wish you all the luck!

Anyway Im not trying to start trouble or anything just posting how I see it. I still hope everything is a success.

We just finished the car.We havent had a chance to dyno it yet.It will be dynoed this coming week.

Thats awsome then, Im sure everybody is hopeing for great results I know I am! :)

I really don't care about the dyno too much..

It's what your customers say after they have it for awhile. I also would like to see someone drive it for several thousand miles. And some good track results on a full course. And of course a decent 1/4 mile result would be good to see from some of your customers.

That is why I chose such words as, "was that IF ssr/sfr FEELS that" and,
"SOUNDS LIKE to ME that they MIGHT not"

"My main point was that if SSR/SFR feels that RX8 owners are cheap with their after market/turbo parts,"


"Sounds like to me that they might not be selling as many kits as they would like be selling,"



BUT OH WELL, IT IS OVER NOW!!!!!!
And hopefully TIM will continue to post and give everyone the excellent information he has so far about our 8's and what it takes to turbo charge them.
Keep up the good work.

Like I said before, I APOLOGIZE to ALL THE RX8 CLUB FORUM MEMBERS!!!!!!!!!!!