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07-13-2005, 04:23 PM
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If this kits does dyno at 287hp and gets some good 1/4 mile times, I think that would be awesome. I can only imagine what that would feel like in the 8. But the $7k price is a little steep. Sell it for $5k and I think you wouldn't be able to keep up with the orders.
But if this does have impressive enough 1/4 mile times, then you'll probably even sell quite a few for $7k. So lets see them numbers!
But if this does have impressive enough 1/4 mile times, then you'll probably even sell quite a few for $7k. So lets see them numbers!
07-13-2005, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by rkostolni
If this kits does dyno at 287hp and gets some good 1/4 mile times, I think that would be awesome. I can only imagine what that would feel like in the 8. But the $7k price is a little steep. Sell it for $5k and I think you wouldn't be able to keep up with the orders.
But if this does have impressive enough 1/4 mile times, then you'll probably even sell quite a few for $7k. So lets see them numbers!
But if this does have impressive enough 1/4 mile times, then you'll probably even sell quite a few for $7k. So lets see them numbers!
We already dynoed at 281 and then 287 more then six months ago with a smaller turbo.There is no way for us to sell the kit for $5000 because all the parts cost so much.The fact is that you can buy a kit now for $5499.You figure out the engine management and your fuel upgrades.
07-13-2005, 06:20 PM
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hey sfr i have some questions for you reguarding ur kit. 1st of all i think it looks excellent and it provides a good amount of power but you said your test car has 10k miles on it with the kit. how is the car being driven is coasting around a track in 6th gear or is it being driven in stop and go traffic. another question i have is what is the maintenance schedule that you follow and recommend? is it possible to get the kit carb approved ? can it pass a smog test?
07-13-2005, 07:28 PM
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Holy dooly, you guys are a tough crowd.
Firstly:
I think SFR has done a great job in getting this thing together and working. Especially in the short time frame - don't forget the 8 has only been around since 2003. It's got lots of new technoloies and from what I can tell, Mazda has done a great job in trying to "lock" out custom tuners. IMO, the 8 is the first of a new generation. Gone are the days on slapping on an exhaust, new air induction and tweak the ecu to get 100kW
Secondly:
Why the heck is everyone so adamant on comparing this to the GReddy kit? Sure they are both forms of FI, they are both turbos, that's where the similarities end. Yes, they are different animals trying to acheive the same thing but have none of you heard about the law of diminishing returns?
From the pics alone, this kits appears to add all the extra "niceties" like heat shieldings, the polishishing is of better quality etc etc.
I'm not knocking the the GReddy kit, it's a great kit, but aimed at a different market of 8 owners - namely poor bastards like me
. whereas the SFR kit is clearly aimed at those who like live by the "get the best and forget the rest" motto. And at this very point in time, it looks like the SFR is the "best" kit.
Don't talk BS like in 100k miles from now.. blah blah. We all know that performance and reliablity are at two different ends of the scale. ie F1s at one end ... Toyota Corrollas at the other end.
Thirdly:
The way some of you mock SFR, I won't be surprised if our 8 never get FI.
I wouldn't be surprised if RAP's AFE SC or Hymee's SC never appear. They'd be too afraid of their rep getting dragged through the mud before it even took off.
Sure SFR may have been a little over zealous with their inital claims, but heck, they were excited and just loooking at the pics, I'm excited.
Last but not least:
If you feel 10k - or whatever it works out to be - is more than you can afford for FI, then don't buy it, but don't go around saying it's baloney. I don't recall SFR claiming that their kit was the bargin of the millenium...
just my 2c worth..
Firstly:
I think SFR has done a great job in getting this thing together and working. Especially in the short time frame - don't forget the 8 has only been around since 2003. It's got lots of new technoloies and from what I can tell, Mazda has done a great job in trying to "lock" out custom tuners. IMO, the 8 is the first of a new generation. Gone are the days on slapping on an exhaust, new air induction and tweak the ecu to get 100kW
Secondly:
Why the heck is everyone so adamant on comparing this to the GReddy kit? Sure they are both forms of FI, they are both turbos, that's where the similarities end. Yes, they are different animals trying to acheive the same thing but have none of you heard about the law of diminishing returns?
From the pics alone, this kits appears to add all the extra "niceties" like heat shieldings, the polishishing is of better quality etc etc.
I'm not knocking the the GReddy kit, it's a great kit, but aimed at a different market of 8 owners - namely poor bastards like me
. whereas the SFR kit is clearly aimed at those who like live by the "get the best and forget the rest" motto. And at this very point in time, it looks like the SFR is the "best" kit.Don't talk BS like in 100k miles from now.. blah blah. We all know that performance and reliablity are at two different ends of the scale. ie F1s at one end ... Toyota Corrollas at the other end.
Thirdly:
The way some of you mock SFR, I won't be surprised if our 8 never get FI.
I wouldn't be surprised if RAP's AFE SC or Hymee's SC never appear. They'd be too afraid of their rep getting dragged through the mud before it even took off.
Sure SFR may have been a little over zealous with their inital claims, but heck, they were excited and just loooking at the pics, I'm excited.
Last but not least:
If you feel 10k - or whatever it works out to be - is more than you can afford for FI, then don't buy it, but don't go around saying it's baloney. I don't recall SFR claiming that their kit was the bargin of the millenium...
just my 2c worth..
07-14-2005, 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DMP
To make a fair comparison between the two kits, you'd have to compare a GReddy kit with an additional $2000 invested, +/-.
lets make the comparison. buy the GREDDY. add an additonal $2000 thats about 6500. plus labor for each item $500, plus dyno $80 per hour, plus time stressing on fuel management or what not.
thats about either close or cost more to get the car to be *** dominant as SFR kit.
so you guys are saying your gonna buy the GREDDY kit stress on fuel, labor and parts etc.... to make it as quick when SFR is allready offerring you all that for the same amount. and TIM does all the stressing. come on guys. thats the reason why i bought this kit to save me extra time to get it to where its at. plus the other factors that i spoke about before.
To make a fair comparison between the two kits, you'd have to compare a GReddy kit with an additional $2000 invested, +/-.
lets make the comparison. buy the GREDDY. add an additonal $2000 thats about 6500. plus labor for each item $500, plus dyno $80 per hour, plus time stressing on fuel management or what not.
thats about either close or cost more to get the car to be *** dominant as SFR kit.
so you guys are saying your gonna buy the GREDDY kit stress on fuel, labor and parts etc.... to make it as quick when SFR is allready offerring you all that for the same amount. and TIM does all the stressing. come on guys. thats the reason why i bought this kit to save me extra time to get it to where its at. plus the other factors that i spoke about before.
07-14-2005, 01:18 AM
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dont take this personally, but about the not being able to post pix and vids..... i didnt know that after signing up for this board i was married to it. im 21 years old with a life. i work graveyard shifts which even makes it harder. and all i want to do is enjoy my weekend since most of the time in the morn im sleeping. you guys is as bad as my girlfriend. at least im getting something out of it. LOL
07-14-2005, 01:32 AM
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LOL LOL LOL you work graveyard shifts and you are able to afford a RX8 with an expensive turbo like that???
Dude let's see how long your engine will hold together, if you are not posting videos or pics is because you don't want, not because you dont have the time. You had the time to post all these days to announce your turbo installation and now you don't have time to post the results? Be honest at least. Have a life (like you said)... and go to a grammar school before even posting the pics, at the end that will make you happier than the turbo you are getting right now. :D
Cheers! and enjoy it while it last.... too misterious...
Dude let's see how long your engine will hold together, if you are not posting videos or pics is because you don't want, not because you dont have the time. You had the time to post all these days to announce your turbo installation and now you don't have time to post the results? Be honest at least. Have a life (like you said)... and go to a grammar school before even posting the pics, at the end that will make you happier than the turbo you are getting right now. :D
Cheers! and enjoy it while it last.... too misterious...
Originally Posted by D1GT-x8
dont take this personally, but about the not being able to post
pix and vids..... i didnt know that after signing up for this board i was married to it. im 21 years old with a life. i work graveyard shifts which even makes it harder. and all i want to do is enjoy my weekend since most of the time in the morn im sleeping. you guys is as bad as my girlfriend. at least im getting something out of it. LOL
pix and vids..... i didnt know that after signing up for this board i was married to it. im 21 years old with a life. i work graveyard shifts which even makes it harder. and all i want to do is enjoy my weekend since most of the time in the morn im sleeping. you guys is as bad as my girlfriend. at least im getting something out of it. LOL
07-14-2005, 01:36 AM
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Geez.. Your the one who started this thread/hype in the first place. At the very least you could have posted them sooner and given us your impressions of the car. That is if it's tuned correctly by now... 
07-14-2005, 01:40 AM
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hahaha you guys are harsh i said dont take it personally. but im cool with it. as long as you guys dont get all furious with me. because i cant get the info in time thats it.
07-14-2005, 07:30 AM
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Hey D1GT, do you have any plans to take it drag racing? I'd really like to see what kind of times this kit would get. If you can get the tires to hookup, I'd predict low 13s with that kind of hp.
I can't believe their test car with 10,000 miles hasn't been to the track?
I can't believe their test car with 10,000 miles hasn't been to the track?
07-14-2005, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by D1GT-x8
Originally Posted by DMP
To make a fair comparison between the two kits, you'd have to compare a GReddy kit with an additional $2000 invested, +/-.
lets make the comparison. buy the GREDDY. add an additonal $2000 thats about 6500. plus labor for each item $500, plus dyno $80 per hour, plus time stressing on fuel management or what not.
thats about either close or cost more to get the car to be *** dominant as SFR kit.
so you guys are saying your gonna buy the GREDDY kit stress on fuel, labor and parts etc.... to make it as quick when SFR is allready offerring you all that for the same amount. and TIM does all the stressing. come on guys. thats the reason why i bought this kit to save me extra time to get it to where its at. plus the other factors that i spoke about before.
To make a fair comparison between the two kits, you'd have to compare a GReddy kit with an additional $2000 invested, +/-.
lets make the comparison. buy the GREDDY. add an additonal $2000 thats about 6500. plus labor for each item $500, plus dyno $80 per hour, plus time stressing on fuel management or what not.
thats about either close or cost more to get the car to be *** dominant as SFR kit.
so you guys are saying your gonna buy the GREDDY kit stress on fuel, labor and parts etc.... to make it as quick when SFR is allready offerring you all that for the same amount. and TIM does all the stressing. come on guys. thats the reason why i bought this kit to save me extra time to get it to where its at. plus the other factors that i spoke about before.
As pointed out earlier - math isn't quite right here.
GReddy - $3000.
Your kit - $7500
One could buy TWO Greddy kits, and Twin-turbo!
:D
Still - get to the dyno, and get some good, honest numbers. Make sure your car is tuned to make as much power as it SAFELY can. that should be your goal, IMO.
07-14-2005, 09:04 AM
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I just wanted to agree with the following statement and merely add that if people dont understand that the more power you make the faster it will break then they should just stop talking. You cant compare a kit that makes less power to a kit that makes more. Its just not a fair comparison. No matter what car it is even the all reliable HONDAS break faster when they make power. You just need to understand that every bit of power that they make over and above stock is getting one step closer to destruction. Now that being said, no one knows for sure how much power the RX8 will hold.... and no one knows for sure how long it will last making x amount of power. Maybe 5 yrs from now the greddy car will blowup. Maybe 3 yrs from now the sfr will blowup. No one knows and the important thing to consider is that IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!
More Power = Faster Death
No matter what car.
Just my 2 cents Goodjob sfr well done
Jon
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More Power = Faster Death
No matter what car.
Just my 2 cents Goodjob sfr well done
Jon
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Originally Posted by LittleJohn
Holy dooly, you guys are a tough crowd.
Firstly:
I think SFR has done a great job in getting this thing together and working. Especially in the short time frame - don't forget the 8 has only been around since 2003. It's got lots of new technoloies and from what I can tell, Mazda has done a great job in trying to "lock" out custom tuners. IMO, the 8 is the first of a new generation. Gone are the days on slapping on an exhaust, new air induction and tweak the ecu to get 100kW
Secondly:
Why the heck is everyone so adamant on comparing this to the GReddy kit? Sure they are both forms of FI, they are both turbos, that's where the similarities end. Yes, they are different animals trying to acheive the same thing but have none of you heard about the law of diminishing returns?
From the pics alone, this kits appears to add all the extra "niceties" like heat shieldings, the polishishing is of better quality etc etc.
I'm not knocking the the GReddy kit, it's a great kit, but aimed at a different market of 8 owners - namely poor bastards like me. whereas the SFR kit is clearly aimed at those who like live by the "get the best and forget the rest" motto. And at this very point in time, it looks like the SFR is the "best" kit.
Don't talk BS like in 100k miles from now.. blah blah. We all know that performance and reliablity are at two different ends of the scale. ie F1s at one end ... Toyota Corrollas at the other end.
Thirdly:
The way some of you mock SFR, I won't be surprised if our 8 never get FI.
I wouldn't be surprised if RAP's AFE SC or Hymee's SC never appear. They'd be too afraid of their rep getting dragged through the mud before it even took off.
Sure SFR may have been a little over zealous with their inital claims, but heck, they were excited and just loooking at the pics, I'm excited.
Last but not least:
If you feel 10k - or whatever it works out to be - is more than you can afford for FI, then don't buy it, but don't go around saying it's baloney. I don't recall SFR claiming that their kit was the bargin of the millenium...
just my 2c worth..
Firstly:
I think SFR has done a great job in getting this thing together and working. Especially in the short time frame - don't forget the 8 has only been around since 2003. It's got lots of new technoloies and from what I can tell, Mazda has done a great job in trying to "lock" out custom tuners. IMO, the 8 is the first of a new generation. Gone are the days on slapping on an exhaust, new air induction and tweak the ecu to get 100kW
Secondly:
Why the heck is everyone so adamant on comparing this to the GReddy kit? Sure they are both forms of FI, they are both turbos, that's where the similarities end. Yes, they are different animals trying to acheive the same thing but have none of you heard about the law of diminishing returns?
From the pics alone, this kits appears to add all the extra "niceties" like heat shieldings, the polishishing is of better quality etc etc.
I'm not knocking the the GReddy kit, it's a great kit, but aimed at a different market of 8 owners - namely poor bastards like me
. whereas the SFR kit is clearly aimed at those who like live by the "get the best and forget the rest" motto. And at this very point in time, it looks like the SFR is the "best" kit.Don't talk BS like in 100k miles from now.. blah blah. We all know that performance and reliablity are at two different ends of the scale. ie F1s at one end ... Toyota Corrollas at the other end.
Thirdly:
The way some of you mock SFR, I won't be surprised if our 8 never get FI.
I wouldn't be surprised if RAP's AFE SC or Hymee's SC never appear. They'd be too afraid of their rep getting dragged through the mud before it even took off.
Sure SFR may have been a little over zealous with their inital claims, but heck, they were excited and just loooking at the pics, I'm excited.
Last but not least:
If you feel 10k - or whatever it works out to be - is more than you can afford for FI, then don't buy it, but don't go around saying it's baloney. I don't recall SFR claiming that their kit was the bargin of the millenium...
just my 2c worth..
07-14-2005, 09:09 AM
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Encouraging!!! LOL :D
Originally Posted by Jon
I just wanted to agree with the following statement and merely add that if people dont understand that the more power you make the faster it will break then they should just stop talking. You cant compare a kit that makes less power to a kit that makes more. Its just not a fair comparison. No matter what car it is even the all reliable HONDAS break faster when they make power. You just need to understand that every bit of power that they make over and above stock is getting one step closer to destruction. Now that being said, no one knows for sure how much power the RX8 will hold.... and no one knows for sure how long it will last making x amount of power. Maybe 5 yrs from now the greddy car will blowup. Maybe 3 yrs from now the sfr will blowup. No one knows and the important thing to consider is that IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!
More Power = Faster Death
No matter what car.
Just my 2 cents Goodjob sfr well done
Jon
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More Power = Faster Death
No matter what car.
Just my 2 cents Goodjob sfr well done
Jon
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07-14-2005, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by High Revving
hey sfr i have some questions for you reguarding ur kit. 1st of all i think it looks excellent and it provides a good amount of power but you said your test car has 10k miles on it with the kit. how is the car being driven is coasting around a track in 6th gear or is it being driven in stop and go traffic.
Stop and go traffic.Ocassional full boost runs,etc....Normal driving.
another question i have is what is the maintenance schedule that you follow and recommend?
Change the oil every 2-3K miles is all that is required.
is it possible to get the kit carb approved ? can it pass a smog test?
Stop and go traffic.Ocassional full boost runs,etc....Normal driving.
another question i have is what is the maintenance schedule that you follow and recommend?
Change the oil every 2-3K miles is all that is required.
is it possible to get the kit carb approved ? can it pass a smog test?
It might be possible if we stick with the stock injectors.Unfortunately, it limits the power to about 250 at the wheels. Having the cat in place and utilizing the stock injectors is the biggest concern when gettign CARB approval.
07-14-2005, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueRenesis82
It would be nice to have a kit that could make 300hp and not cost $7k. I hate to sound cheap after buying the car, but for an extra 7k on sticker I would have bought something a tad faster, like a used vette or something.
I can see your point but consider this......I bought myself a 350Z.The cost is very similiar to the RX-8.Guess who has a turbos kit for it? We do and ofcourse Greddy does.Guess how much the Greddy kit costs? Over $6000. My point? People with similiar priced cars spend more money on their turbo kits then guys with the RX-8s are willing to spend. Just something to think about.
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I just wanted to agree with the following statement and merely add that if people dont understand that the more power you make the faster it will break then they should just stop talking. You cant compare a kit that makes less power to a kit that makes more. Its just not a fair comparison. No matter what car it is even the all reliable HONDAS break faster when they make power. You just need to understand that every bit of power that they make over and above stock is getting one step closer to destruction. Now that being said, no one knows for sure how much power the RX8 will hold.... and no one knows for sure how long it will last making x amount of power. Maybe 5 yrs from now the greddy car will blowup. Maybe 3 yrs from now the sfr will blowup. No one knows and the important thing to consider is that IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!
07-14-2005, 02:47 PM
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Besides, this is a hobby, so when it brakes it gives you a reason to take it apart and fix it better than it originally was. Isn't that what its about, constant tinkering. However, that being said, I will be pissed if myne brakes anytime soon. If it brakes in 3-5 years, well its going to be about time for some more power anyway.
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Originally Posted by SpeedForceRacing
I can see your point but consider this......I bought myself a 350Z.The cost is very similiar to the RX-8.Guess who has a turbos kit for it? We do and ofcourse Greddy does.Guess how much the Greddy kit costs? Over $6000. My point? People with similiar priced cars spend more money on their turbo kits then guys with the RX-8s are willing to spend. Just something to think about.
If I am wrong, please correct me.
If I am right, please build me a twin turbo kit for 6K and I will be happy to buy it from you.
You know, what is sad that I have followed this project since it's birth and now after a simple comment like the one above, just kind of makes me say whoa!!!!
I don't know, maybe I am taking it the wrong way but it just sounded like you guy's were saying that some RX8 owners might be a little cheap when it comes to aftermarket parts.
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its not just greddy, look at all the other manufactures, they all are a hell of a lot more than a measly 3000 dollars for the greddy kit.
why do you see such significantly less highly modified RX8s than 350zs? the people in general are cheaper with aftermarket, the car has been out long enough for people to start tinkering, the Z is only a year or so older i believe, and you'll see many built and turboed Zs with around 10-12k put into them, theres probably a 3 or 4 highpower over 400wheel hp rx8s around privately owned in america
why do you see such significantly less highly modified RX8s than 350zs? the people in general are cheaper with aftermarket, the car has been out long enough for people to start tinkering, the Z is only a year or so older i believe, and you'll see many built and turboed Zs with around 10-12k put into them, theres probably a 3 or 4 highpower over 400wheel hp rx8s around privately owned in america